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Points Docked for Slow Over Rate

Stefan9

International Regular
What is allowing them to get through the overs in ODIs then, come hell or high water?

I don't care if you need to switch to a pink ball under lights or what you have to do, being a dozen plus overs short on days when there are no weather delays is simply unacceptable, and will kill the game.
In odi's you get less fielders inside the circle in the last few overs if you are behind. There are actual match consequences. Also the overs will still get bowled, not lost like test cricket so there is no real advantage of being slow.
Oh I agree with you regarding switching to the pink ball and playing till the overs are done.
 

Molehill

International Coach
In odi's you get less fielders inside the circle in the last few overs if you are behind. There are actual match consequences. Also the overs will still get bowled, not lost like test cricket so there is no real advantage of being slow.
Oh I agree with you regarding switching to the pink ball and playing till the overs are done.
Given what pink balls do under the lights, it would make over rates even slower as teams tried to get as many overs in with that ball instead of the red one.
 

shortpitched713

Cricketer Of The Year
I like adding some kind of fielding restriction for being overs short, although it would have to be implemented a bit differently for Test matches as compared to limiting boundary riders in ODI.
 

shortpitched713

Cricketer Of The Year
Given what pink balls do under the lights, it would make over rates even slower as teams tried to get as many overs in with that ball instead of the red one.
How about, and hear me out here as I might be spouting insane nonsense, starting before 11 AM ****ing local time during the English ****ing summer, the ****ing dull *****.
 

Molehill

International Coach
Actually all they need to do is play till 7 or 7:30 when there is ample sunlight usually.
Exactly, I used to play in a midweek league where games didn't even start before 6pm. There's perfectly good daylight in an English Summer to well after 9pm.

I just don't know why we need cut offs (well I do and I'm sure it's TV related).
 

cnerd123

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I just don't know why we need cut offs (well I do and I'm sure it's TV related).
Because they're human beings? Can't keep them out there playing 24 hours for our entertainment, no matter how much you pay them and the support staff associated with conducting the game.
 

Stefan9

International Regular
Exactly, I used to play in a midweek league where games didn't even start before 6pm. There's perfectly good daylight in an English Summer to well after 9pm.
Not an issue for countries that use dedicated cricket channels not sure if the aus issue would still be the same.

I just don't know why we need cut offs (well I do and I'm sure it's TV related).
Its the local TV stations..we used to play till overs was done or bad light took over. Some Aussie stations had a big moan about it during a SA vs Aus series and the ICC changed it.

Because they're human beings? Can't keep them out there playing 24 hours for our entertainment, no matter how much you pay them and the support staff associated with conducting the game.
Bowl their overs in time then they don't have to stay out there. Sounds like a good incentive to me.

Given what pink balls do under the lights, it would make over rates even slower as teams tried to get as many overs in with that ball instead of the red one.
I would add big run penalties to it. Then they can decide if bowling with the pink ball is worth giving up 50 runs.
 

shortpitched713

Cricketer Of The Year
Nah, I think it's literally just start earlier. I know that England is at a higher latitude, but even closer to winter, surely the sun's risen and you've got light for a 10 AM start.

Truly dire country, if not.
 

shortpitched713

Cricketer Of The Year
Because they're human beings? Can't keep them out there playing 24 hours for our entertainment, no matter how much you pay them and the support staff associated with conducting the game.
Literally no one has suggested this absolute strawman of an argument you're knocking down.

We'd rather make them get on with it, instead of playing extra hours. Hence the in game penalties instead of docking points.

It's knowing those incentives that would force players to limit the extra time beyond scheduled, but the fans are entitled to a certain amount of play and are right to feel miffed about being shorted that for no good reason.

No one asked for 24 hour shifts, lol.
 

Molehill

International Coach
Nah, I think it's literally just start earlier. I know that England is at a higher latitude, but even closer to winter, surely the sun's risen and you've got light for a 10 AM start.

Truly dire country, if not.
You could play from 5am to 9pm in England in the Summer. Bigger issues seem to be in places like Pakistan where the light goes by 5.30pm.
 

cnerd123

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Literally no one has suggested this absolute strawman of an argument you're knocking down.

We'd rather make them get on with it, instead of playing extra hours. Hence the in game penalties instead of docking points.

It's knowing those incentives that would force players to limit the extra time beyond scheduled, but the fans are entitled to a certain amount of play and are right to feel miffed about being shorted that for no good reason.

No one asked for 24 hour shifts, lol.
The question is why we have a cut off. The answer to that is that the game has to end at some time, people have to go home. Not even anything to do with TV deals. Cricket has always had a scheduled end of play for common sense purposes.

Sometimes, tbf, they play on till it gets dark, but idk if that's ever been done in England where the sun sets at like 9pm
 

Molehill

International Coach
The question is why we have a cut off. The answer to that is that the game has to end at some time, people have to go home. Not even anything to do with TV deals. Cricket has always had a scheduled end of play for common sense purposes.

Sometimes, tbf, they play on till it gets dark, but idk if that's ever been done in England where the sun sets at like 9pm
But the scheduled end of play would normally guarantee at least 90 overs. Now it doesn't, but would it be so hard to make that the cut off? It would normally only add 30 mins or so.
 

shortpitched713

Cricketer Of The Year
The question is why we have a cut off. The answer to that is that the game has to end at some time, people have to go home. Not even anything to do with TV deals. Cricket has always had a scheduled end of play for common sense purposes.
So why is getting through the required number of overs before this cutoff (or at least reasonably close to that cutoff), not a problem in ODIs, in which there's actually more overs scheduled in the day?

Some sort of ****ery is going on in Tests which is shorting the fans, and that's what can and definitely should be legislated for with in game rules and penalties.
 

Molehill

International Coach
So why is getting through the required number of overs before this cutoff (or at least reasonably close to that cutoff), not a problem in ODIs, in which there's actually more overs scheduled in the day?

Some sort of ****ery is going on in Tests which is shorting the fans, and that's what can and definitely should be legislated for with in game rules and penalties.
Teams are given 3.5 hours to bowl 50 overs in ODI's (they generally go 15 mins over). They're really not going any faster there than in Tests.

The IPL is the worst of the lot for over rates.
 

shortpitched713

Cricketer Of The Year
Cnerd's already on thin ice with me, being an ump and all :p

But now going and upholding the woefully backwards, inadequate English Test match scheduling norms and practices is just a bridge too far. Get the **** out of here with that bullshit, no one's buying it.
 

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