Player of the Decade - Ponting

[Streetwise]

who care about being a great odi captain the only reason why he won the 03 worldcup is because hussain went on a hunch to bowl anderson instead of caddick

What about the 07 worldcup, was that down to a squashball.

 

[Uppercut]

I think Ponting's as good an ODI captain as there's been tbh. Even allowing for the fact that he played in a great side, his record is absolutely insane- 145 wins, 42 losses, two World Cups. You're having a laugh if you're telling me that any other captain ever would have done better than that.

 

[Pratters]

Steve Waugh was a better ODI captain. I can name several better ODI captains who are true greats - guys like Ranatunga and Imran Khan.

Regarding winning, Lloyd would have won more had he captained in an era when more ODIs were played. Wouldn't have made him the best captain ever.

 

[sasnoz]

didnt watch the 07 world cup so i cant really comment the whole tournament was a farce from what i hear,he lost the last two cb/vb series in aus that would counteract his world cup achievements i would say

 

[sasnoz]

face it no one likes ponting, no one rates him asa captain, no one rates him as a person

 

[Pratters]

Guys I would rate as best ODI captains and easily better than Ponting 90s onwards (from when I have started watching cricket)

Martin Crowe
Imran Khan
Ranatunga
Hansie Cronje (if we forget match fixing for a moment)
Dave Houghton
Steve Waugh
Stephen Fleming
Graeme Smith

 

[Johnners]

you idiot warne did criticise ponting,he criticised waugh as well he described them as ordinary, would you also think ponting did such a good job in england?what about the players behaviour aswell which lies with the captains duties aswell as over rates
im afraid you are an aussie who is just as stupid as ponting himself

I'm guessing you didnt' really learn/change much in the 7/8 years after you were originally permbanned. You've already received one warning from the Mod team about aggressive and abusive behaviour to other members since your return, and you can count this as a second, and final warning for the same thing. Abuse/Insults towards other member is NOT on.

We won't be overturning a second permanent ban for you.

 

[Streetwise]

didnt watch the 07 world cup so i cant really comment the whole tournament was a farce from what i hear,he lost the last two cb/vb series in aus that would counteract his world cup achievements i would say

Yeah that really makes sense, I didnt think of it that way.

 

[sasnoz]

shane warne
adam gilchrist
michael vaughn
chris gayle
shaun pollock

 

[sasnoz]

I'm guessing you didnt' really learn/change much in the 7/8 years after you were originally permbanned. You've already received one warning from the Mod team about aggressive and abusive behaviour to other members since your return, and you can count this as a second, and final warning for the same thing. Abuse/Insults towards other member is NOT on.

We won't be overturning a second permanent ban for you.

when have i received a warning, show some respect to a foundation member please

 

[Johnners]

Guys I would rate as best ODI captains and easily better than Ponting 90s onwards (from when I have started watching cricket)

Martin Crowe
Imran Khan
Ranatunga
Hansie Cronje (if we forget match fixing for a moment)
Dave Houghton
Steve Waugh
Stephen Fleming
Graeme Smith

Regardless of the fact that I think you're completely wrong about the rest of them, there's absolutely no way you can just "forget about the match fixing" when talking about Hansies captaincy.

 

[Pratters]

Regardless of the fact that I think you're completely wrong about the rest of them, there's absolutely no way you can just "forget about the match fixing" when talking about Hansies captaincy.

He is treated too harshly IMO. Yes, he committed match fixing but he also had the conscience to admit it. About how many others can we say the same. I will leave it at that.

 

[Johnners]

when have i received a warning, show some respect to a foundation member please

http://www.cricketweb.net/forum/cricket-chat/45357-oram-bond-souless-greedy-cricketers.html

 

[Johnners]

He is treated too harshly IMO. Yes, he committed match fixing but he also had the conscience to admit it. About how many others can we say the same. I will leave it at that.

He sold out his teammates for his own personal gain, as a captain that's basically unforgiveable regardless of the fact that he admitted it. He still did it....

Anyway, not really the thread to be discussing it

 

[Pratters]

Regardless of the fact that I think you're completely wrong about the rest of them

From which year did you start watching ODI cricket? I don't think you have seen half of them captain.

 

[sasnoz]

didnt see any warnings there
flem 274 called me a tosser where in that thread where is his warning?judge everyone the same thanx or maybe your envious of my FOUNDATION MEMBER STATUS

 

[Prince EWS]

From which year did you start watching ODI cricket? I don't think you have seen half of them captain.

Given you've become so forthcoming with your constructive criticism of posters of late, I thought I'd chime in here with a minor gripe of my own about your posts sometimes. I should point out that I mean no malice at all - I implore you to take this post in the spirit of which you have written similar posts before.

While I actually agree with you to a large extent in this thread, assuming that someone hasn't watched a lot of cricket relevant to a discussion merely because they disagree with you is never going to go over too well. I've seen you a do it a few times now - if someone doesn't rate X as highly as you do, you sometimes go straight to "I don't think you have seen much of X". You've never said it to me, but if there's one thing I find offensive in sporting discussions it's the assertion that I don't watch much sport.

It's completely possible to watch the same piece of cricket as someone and form an entirely different opinion (which is actually one of the reasons I love the game) so I think your posting would improve if you didn't jump to conclusions so quickly about how people form their opinions. It comes across as patronising and arrogant even if you don't mean it that way. By all means disagree, but support your opinion with facts and explanations rather than just assuming the other person hasn't watched the relevant material, particularly when it's a respected member of the forum.

 

[Pratters]

Given you've become so forthcoming with your constructive criticism of posters of late, I thought I'd chime in here with a minor gripe of my own about your posts sometimes. I should point out that I mean no malice at all - I implore you to take this post in the spirit of which you have written similar posts before.

While I actually agree with you to a large extent in this thread, assuming that someone hasn't watched a lot of cricket relevant to a discussion merely because they disagree with you is never going to go over too well. I've seen you a do it a few times now - if someone doesn't rate X as highly as you do, you sometimes go straight to "I don't think you have seen much of X". You've never said it to me, but if there's one thing I find offensive in sporting discussions it's the assertion that I don't watch much sport.

It's completely possible to watch the same piece of cricket as someone and form an entirely different opinion (which is actually one of the reasons I love the game) so I think your posting would improve if you didn't jump to conclusions so quickly about how people form their opinions. It comes across as patronising and arrogant even if you don't mean it that way. By all means disagree, but support your opinion with facts and explanations rather than just assuming the other person hasn't watched the relevant material, particularly when it's a respected member of the forum.

Criticism taken in positive spirit. I see exactly what you mean mate. Won't do it again. I was thinking I might be appearing rude to Clapo when I posted it. Sorry Clapo.

 

[Matt79]

He hasn't conclusively failed, but what exactly has he done to label his leadership a "success"? As far as I can see Australia are still in the middle of a transitional period and Ponting's record so far is par.

Fair point on the ODIs though, I instinctively don't think of them at all. It's weird because I rather like LO cricket, but it just feels quite.. unimportant.

Such a ridiculous comment. Under his leadership, the team has won 2 World Cups, a Champions Trophy, a massive proportion of tests home and away. Oh, but they've lost the Ashes in England twice (in extremely tight series both times), and struggled in India with a then massively green attack = obviously **** leader EDIT: ok, you qualified it by saying you were for reasons of your own ignoring LO cricket, but the point about the amount of tests won remains, plus I think its an unreasonable attitude to ignore LO cricket in assessing a cricketer overall - and he's a bloody good ODI captain.

I'm not saying he's the most brilliant tactical leader ever, but he gets underrated as a captain by an obscene amount by his critics. EVERY single other national team, probably apart from SA and NZ would trade his leadership for their current captain's in a heartbeat. He's as good a captain as Border or Steve Waugh in many ways IMO.

 

[sasnoz]

dont apologise where all different we cant all be alike and when people post rubbish they need to be put inline(not saying that clapo was posting rubbish)