Pick your NZ bowlers/all-rounders for SA

[Mixmasterreece]

...there's been 5 games played and the leading players are Steven Croft, Brad Cachopa, Jesse Ryder, Anton Devcich, Shaun Tait and Neil Wagner...

Heaven forbid we give a few games to kids with promise who have actually done something at domestic level. It's not like George Workers getting a gig.

Sorry what have Anderson and Neesham done again?

Neesham hasnt picked up more than 2 wickets in an innings in 2012. Same with Corey who has scored over 40 ONCE in 2012.

 

[BeeGee]

Patel, N. McCullum, Nethula, Hira, Tastle, Vettori, Martin...

how many bloody spinners do we need to try out?

All of them.

It's the classic NZ brute strength and ignorance selection policy. We don't know which NZ domestic players would succeed at international level so lets just try them all and hope for the best.

 

[Binkley]

Sorry what have Anderson and Neesham done again?

Neesham hasnt picked up more than 2 wickets in an innings in 2012. Same with Corey who has scored over 40 ONCE in 2012.

Simon Doull said something revealing during the coverage of last week's (?) Friday Night Twenty20. Anderson was bowling a series of rubbish balls very wide of off-stump. The speed gun was clocking them at between 137-139 kmph. Doull said something to the effect of "gee, if the speed gun is right maybe the selectors need to start looking at this guy." I shook my head in dismay. But it seems that Doull wasn't the only one who noticed the speed gun and failed to notice the wide long-hops on display.

Having said that, I do think Anderson has potential. Nice action, gets outswing, and has a solid technique with the bat. Potential does not mean he should be picked now though. Particularly given how toxic the team environment seems to be.

 

[NZTailender]

Sorry what have Anderson and Neesham done again?

Neesham hasnt picked up more than 2 wickets in an innings in 2012. Same with Corey who has scored over 40 ONCE in 2012.

They've put in performances of note, though. Enough to showcase their talent. Like here and here. They've put in solid performances here, here, here and here. We all know what kind of form Munro is in. de Boorder may seem the odd one out but he's been groomed as a potential international keeper, and given that van Wyk looks to be axed, I imagine they'll want a backup to Watling. With Vettori out Anderson and Neesham are in contention for an all-rounders spot I guess, with the aim that they'd take over from Oram in the future.

edit: de Boorder's also played for New Zealand A. And again, there's been 5 T20 games this season. They're picking on promise and not performance.

 

[hendrix]

Players have worked though.

Patel has worked.

Nathan McCullum has worked in LO.

Nethula hasn't been given a shot (I'm hearing about attitude problems but really I think i'd have a pretty ****ing big attitude problem if I were in the black caps right now).

On the other side of things, Wagner looked awful in West Indies yet we don't look at replacing him?

 

[Flem274*]

It's pretty obvious MMR hasn't watched a single minute of non-HRV cup domestix in the past two years.

And I seem to remember him calling for young blood and slamming the selections of Sinclair, Ingram etc last time he surfaced.

Do you just come here to bitch and moan for the sake of it mate or do you actually enjoy watching the game?

I'm pretty happy if those allrounders are in the 20/20. Good to see them given a go because all or a collection of them will be very important players for us. Giving them a bit of exposure to world class bowling is a very good idea, in fact the only good idea I've heard from NZC in the past week.

 

[NZTailender]

Simon Doull said something revealing during the coverage of last week's (?) Friday Night Twenty20. Anderson was bowling a series of rubbish balls very wide of off-stump. The speed gun was clocking them at between 137-139 kmph. Doull said something to the effect of "gee, if the speed gun is right maybe the selectors need to start looking at this guy." I shook my head in dismay. But it seems that Doull wasn't the only one who noticed the speed gun and failed to notice the wide long-hops on display.

Having said that, I do think Anderson has potential. Nice action, gets outswing, and has a solid technique with the bat. Potential does not mean he should be picked now though. Particularly given how toxic the team environment seems to be.

For Anderson, I don't think now is wrong. He's had big wraps for a long time, and if I remember correctly, moreso than guys like Southee, Boult, Bracewell, Bennett and co who came through in a similar time to him. His name was thrown around a lot but the difference is he's been plagued by injury. I don't think anyone can doubt his talent, and I don't think it will be a disgrace if we drop him in at international T20 level to get a gauge of how he can handle it.

 

[Flem274*]

Yeah exactly. Who actually cares about non domestic or world cup 20/20? No one does. Give him a go.

 

[NZTailender]

Players have worked though.

Patel has worked.

Nathan McCullum has worked in LO.

Nethula hasn't been given a shot (I'm hearing about attitude problems but really I think i'd have a pretty ****ing big attitude problem if I were in the black caps right now).

On the other side of things, Wagner looked awful in West Indies yet we don't look at replacing him?

We're back to test talk, I'm guessing? (the best stuff!)

Patel has worked. I don't think Patel is being dropped, is he? I wouldn't put Martin ahead of Patel but as second choice goes, he has done more domestically than Nethula, who isn't a bag of talent. McCullum has done the yards domestically but his record isn't as good, as far as journeymen go.

Wagner's odd. Looks the good but hasn't handled internationals greatly. He's worth a shot to see if he can crack it, if one of Boult, Bracewell or Southee get injured or dropped.

 

[NZTailender]

Yeah exactly. Who actually cares about non domestic or world cup 20/20? No one does. Give him a go.

Yeah, context. Of those four were named for the Test squad, I wouldn't be speaking up in favour...

Edit: except for Munro

 

[SteveNZ]

Radio Live reporting Neesham, Anderson, de Boorder and Munro are in for the T20s. Astle to be dropped from Test squad, Bruce Martin in.

Also a big strapping left-arm fast bowler from Auckland.

 

[Flem274*]

Also a big strapping left-arm fast bowler from Auckland.

Bates!!!111

 

[SteveNZ]

Bigger, faster, harder.

And the gritty dwarf is ousted. Happy days.

 

[Kippax]

FMD, they've ruined a red letter day for mid-2000s CW, the ****s.

 

[Mixmasterreece]

It's pretty obvious MMR hasn't watched a single minute of non-HRV cup domestix in the past two years.

Yip you've caught me out. It's obvious I havent watched a game in 2 years because I don't support the selections of Forum god Jimmy Neesham and Corey Anderson. I see how you came up with that.

The only thing you are correct about is that Ive called for new blood in the past. That was at a point in time when we weren't blooding ANYONE. Now we've gone in the complete opposite direction and will hand out a black jersey to anyone who can spell kookaburra correctly. I also don't believe that exposing these apparently talented young players to the current toxic environment is beneficial for their development, or desire to play for the BCs in the future.

 

[Flem274*]

Bigger, faster, harder.

You just know we're going to quote this out of context until the end of time don't you?

 

[Bahnz]

Awesome, time to intimidate the saffers with his 136k thunderbolts.

 

[Blain]

I would actually be interested in a game of 20/20 if the line up was something like

5. Anderson
6. Munro
7. Neesham
8. De Border
9. McCullum
10. Southee
11. Milne

 

[Flem274*]

Yip you've caught me out. It's obvious I havent watched a game in 2 years because I don't support the selections of Forum god Jimmy Neesham and Corey Anderson. I see how you came up with that.

The only thing you are correct about is that Ive called for new blood in the past. That was at a point in time when we weren't blooding ANYONE. Now we've gone in the complete opposite direction and will hand out a black jersey to anyone who can spell kookaburra correctly. I also don't believe that exposing these apparently talented young players to the current toxic environment is beneficial for their development, or desire to play for the BCs in the future.

Lol cute.

Munro through the offside is Ingram, who you may remember as the best opener in the country and I believe you described him as a club cricketer who should never be picked even if he averaged 100 in the shield.

Yet here you are saying Munro's selection is okay.

We've always blooded players. Bennett, Butler, Watling, Williamson, Flynn...the list goes on.

I agree about the toxic environment but from a selection point of view, the environment in there and there is nothing we can do about it, so from now on we need to be professional and proceed like adults, and despite being only slightly older than me the new guys are adults and are probably gun guys. They'll be there for some hit and giggle then come home for some domestix. I'm fine with them being there.

 

[Mixmasterreece]

Lol cute.

Munro through the offside is Ingram, who you may remember as the best opener in the country and I believe you described him as a club cricketer who should never be picked even if he averaged 100 in the shield.

No kidding snookums. 'Pinga' was a joke, and Munro will go down a similar path. Luckily for him he'll never be exposed to the new ball.

Yet here you are saying Munro's selection is okay.

Nope - I havent said that. His selection is probably the most understandable out of the 4 given his form, but he doesn't have the required technique to be a success in international cricket. He will be found out.

We've always blooded players. Bennett, Butler, Watling, Williamson, Flynn...the list goes on.

All who had more games under their belts than these new crazy cats.