Peak Bumrah vs Peak Imran

[kyear2]

I think you may discover that Kyears approach towards Imran is fundamentally uncharitable.

It's uncharitable to point out what actually happened?

 

[subshakerz]

It's uncharitable to point out what actually happened?

No that you continually downplay him yet pretend you're objective.

 

[kyear2]

No that you continually downplay him yet pretend you're objective.

And you pretend that he's perfect and the objections exist only in my head.

If he were from any other country you wouldn't let it slide.

 

[sayon basak]

And you pretend that he's perfect and the objections exist only in my head.

If he were from any other country you wouldn't let it slide.

Are you calling him racist?

 

[Thala_0710]

Are you calling him racist?

A Kyearist

 

[subshakerz]

And you pretend that he's perfect and the objections exist only in my head.

If he were from any other country you wouldn't let it slide.

I never did. I admit tampering. I also admit his batting average shouldn't be taken at face value.

Claiming I just support Imran because he is Pakistani is rich. Why don't I do that for other Pakistani cricketers?

I am just earnest in how I support my cases for cricketers and I am like Imran the same I am with Tendulkar or Lillee.

We all know though your soft spot for WI cricketers which is across the board and it was Coronis who first brought it to my attention.

This is 100 percent projection.

 

[sayon basak]

I never did. I admit tampering. I also admit his batting average shouldn't be taken at face value.

Claiming I just support Imran because he is Pakistani is rich. Why don't I do that for other Pakistani cricketers?

I am just earnest in how I support my cases for cricketers and I am like Imran the same I am with Tendulkar or Lillee.

We all know though your soft spot for WI cricketers which is across the board and it was Coronis who first brought it to my attention.

This is 100 percent projection.

BTW you decided you won't debate kyear2 on Imran again, So...

 

[subshakerz]

BTW you decided you won't debate kyear2 on Imran again, So...

Well I did ask for advice on that and since it doesn't actively doesnt seem to weigh down the forum, I don't mind dabbling. And he has denied my truce.

 

[kyear2]

Are you calling him racist?

How did you even come to that conclusion.

 

[Coronis]

How did you even come to that conclusion.

I believe you were calling him overly patriotic. Sometimes that can be (incorrectly) conflated with racism, depending on the context.

 

[kyear2]

I never did. I admit tampering. I also admit his batting average shouldn't be taken at face value.

Claiming I just support Imran because he is Pakistani is rich. Why don't I do that for other Pakistani cricketers?

I am just earnest in how I support my cases for cricketers and I am like Imran the same I am with Tendulkar or Lillee.

We all know though your soft spot for WI cricketers which is across the board and it was Coronis who first brought it to my attention.

This is 100 percent projection.

You've admitted to tampering and the umpiring as the worst of that of previous or subsequent eras?

Of course not. And that's exactly what it was.

West Indians

Which ones do I rate higher than you do?

And vs their established rivals, I always take the under.

I rank Viv below Sachin, Lara below Smith, Ambrose below Steyn.

I rank Garner lower than most, I don't have the 3Ws as ATG's, don't rate Chanders at all.

Sobers the greatest all rounder is not something that's debatable, and Marshall as the GOAT has become what what of a majority opinion if not a consensus opinion at this point, even here.

The play and point I push the hardest is Barry Richards, a South African from an apartheid era and slip fielding.

 

[Coronis]

You've admitted to tampering and the umpiring as the worst of that of previous or subsequent eras?

Of course not. And that's exactly what it was.

West Indians

Which ones do I rate higher than you do?

And vs their established rivals, I always take the under.

I rank Viv below Sachin, Lara below Smith, Ambrose below Steyn.

I rank Garner lower than most, I don't have the 3Ws as ATG's, don't rate Chanders at all.

Sobers the greatest all rounder is not something that's debatable, and Marshall as the GOAT has become what what of a majority opinion if not a consensus opinion at this point, even here.

The play and point I push the hardest is Barry Richards, a South African from an apartheid era and slip fielding.

Still way too high

A fair few people would take Imran iirc.

Consensus? No way, plenty of people push McGrath and Hadlee.


I think you are biased towards some players but not necessarily West Indians. But we all have our biases. Your issue does arise when you try to argue your opinions as facts and push them overtly on others.

 

[subshakerz]

Still way too high

A fair few people would take Imran iirc.

Consensus? No way, plenty of people push McGrath and Hadlee.


I think you are biased towards some players but not necessarily West Indians. But we all have our biases. Your issue does arise when you try to argue your opinions as facts and push them overtly on others.

It's not even necessarily ranking it's how he frames WI cricketers.

 

[kyear2]

I believe you were calling him overly patriotic. Sometimes that can be (incorrectly) conflated with patriotism, depending on the context.

Don't know if you meant to say conflated with racism, but you've already said incorrectly, so I'll leave it there.

I've also said that I get why Subz would have the perspective that he does, and it's not something that I begrudge him for, I get it.

But if any cricketer had the amount of * that he has, it would be shouted to the ceiling as he does for Ambrose, Lara, Kallis, Ashwin etc..

 

[subshakerz]

You've admitted to tampering and the umpiring as the worst of that of previous or subsequent eras?

Of course not. And that's exactly what it was.

I did. I called it especially bad in that era. I don't know about other eras but anyways.

West Indians

Which ones do I rate higher than you do?

And vs their established rivals, I always take the under.

I rank Viv below Sachin, Lara below Smith, Ambrose below Steyn.

I rank Garner lower than most, I don't have the 3Ws as ATG's, don't rate Chanders at all.

Sobers the greatest all rounder is not something that's debatable, and Marshall as the GOAT has become what what of a majority opinion if not a consensus opinion at this point, even here.

The play and point I push the hardest is Barry Richards, a South African from an apartheid era and slip fielding.

You flirted with Sobers ahead of Bradman. You consider Marshall the 3rd greatest cricketer of all time. You consider Sachin and Viv practically equals with Sachin as first among equals. None of those stances are really consistent with most here. Even Lara who you say you rate less you also in the same breath call him the best bat you've seen.

And yes, you are hyper reflexively defensive of WI cricketers to absurd lengths sometimes, claiming Marshall didn't get higher pundit rating because of racism. You get triggered when certain Lara Tendulkar comparisons happen. I can give more examples but you get the drift.

 

[subshakerz]

Don't know if you meant to say conflated with racism, but you've already said incorrectly, so I'll leave it there.

I've also said that I get why Subz would have the perspective that he does, and it's not something that I begrudge him for, I get it.

But if any cricketer had the amount of * that he has, it would be shouted to the ceiling as he does for Ambrose, Lara, Kallis, Ashwin etc..

Despite what HB might tell you, I am amongst the least nationalistic posters here.

It's not common for a Pakistani to have an Indian avatar. But I do because I simply admire greatness of cricket regardless of which country it comes from.

 

[subshakerz]

How did you even come to that conclusion.

Because you consider it racism, remember?

 

[ma1978]

Despite what HB might tell you, I am amongst the least nationalistic posters here.

It's not common for a Pakistani to have an Indian avatar. But I do because I simply admire greatness of cricket regardless of which country it comes from.

I don’t agree with some of your positions on the analytical merits but you are definitely not nationalisti or biased.

 

[kyear2]

Still way too high

A fair few people would take Imran iirc.

Consensus? No way, plenty of people push McGrath and Hadlee.


I think you are biased towards some players but not necessarily West Indians. But we all have our biases. Your issue does arise when you try to argue your opinions as facts and push them overtly on others.

Viv being too high is just as opinion based as me sating you have him too low. But again, there's a strong consensus that places him in the small BAB group, or best they've ever seen.

Not sure of the Imran reference.

Yes some do push McGrath, some Barnes, a few Wasim and Lillee, but the majority at this point do see Marshall as the greatest.

Never said Bradman like unanimity.

 

[kyear2]

It's not even necessarily ranking it's how he frames WI cricketers.

What the hell does that even mean?

We rank Sobers, Marshall, Richards exactly the same places.

But cool.