sayon basak
International Coach
Why can't an average desi guy be as handsome as a handsome pathan?
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Peak Bumrah vs Peak Imran
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govinda indian fan
International Debutant
Can be but unfortunately we in south asia are taught to worship fair skin
capt_Luffy
Hall of Fame Member
Miller for me, anyone else is very arguable
sayon basak
International Coach
Why is Imran good looking?
Problem comes when there is no consitent period for making a point and periods keep changing. Having said that, let's take one of the periods cited above,
Home - 71 wickets - Avg 13 - 6 5-fers
Away - 89 wickets - Avg 22 - 6 5-fers
I am sure some one can now pick a different period to make it look better depending on what's being argued but point will still stand,
IK has 100+ wickets at home at avg of 12 at home in 5-6 years. Clearly, among all great bowlers IK stands tall at home, but he was not stand out in quality otherwise we would have seen something similar away as well. No other bowler playing with him had such a gulf between home and away when they were at their best. It simply does not happen.
I take IK's some great away series as proof of his greatness and not his home record. That's the reason I put him ahead of Wasim.
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Johan
Hall of Fame Member
he is averaging 22 away in your graph, Bumrah averages 21 away minus West Indies, Imran just murders him at home
capt_Luffy
Hall of Fame Member
Bum averages 17 at Home too though. But yeah Imran has the better peak
Johan
Hall of Fame Member
then why vote Bumrah, you bum
capt_Luffy
Hall of Fame Member
Because I can
I did not pick any cut off, You listed a bunch of different cut off dates for IK's peak. I am not even going to bother look for career peak cut off dates for Bumrah because his entire career is close to peak.
Bumrah away against top 4 oppositions so far : 143 wickets - Avg 20 - 10 5-fers
IK's output you are citing for away against non-minnows: 89 wickets - avg 22 - 6 5-fers
As far as IK murdering at home during peak is concerned, that's 100% correct and that's the exact point I raised. He has murdered all bowlers at home during his peak and yet his away record was never a stand out among his peer group. IK murdering anyone during peak at home is not due to his skill set exclusively.
subshakerz
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Because he is average.
Johan
Hall of Fame Member
for Example, SF Barnes
Barnes – 16.43
Others bowlers in his games – 28.19
Batting – 24.64
subshakerz
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
If we look at post WSC till 1988, he takes 19 wickets @19 in India in 80, 16 wickets@19 in Aus in 81, 21 wickets@18 in 82 and 21 wickets@21 in 87 in England and 23 wickets@18 in WI in 88, and 15 wickets@19 in SL in 86.
He only has one poor series in India in 87 on tailormade draw wickets.
So what's his problem away in peak?
Coronis
Hall of Fame Member
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
Who said anything about problem away in peak?
Comment was about keeping IK's 100+ home wicket at avg of 12 during his peak in context. He was stand out by a huge margin at home, but not away against his peers who played at the same time. There was a reason for that and that reason does not dissapears if we compare him with bowlers of different eras.
subshakerz
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Of course he benefitted from tampering but it was also a factor of reverse being an unknown phenomenon to unsuspecting bats and those home grounds being the ideal conditions to reverse.
kyear2
Hall of Fame Member
To what?Wanna see @kyear2 reaction on this
Literally no one takes his home numbers at face value
And no one doubts he was an ATG fast bowler.
But can someone finally admit that no other great player has the questions around them and their career that he had?
Because everyone loves to pretend they didn't exist.
Johan
Hall of Fame Member
I know Imran tampered but Bumrah has so many advantages over him, the balls Bumrah bowls have a much more reinforced and refined seam for movement lasting much longer as both the Kookabura and Dukes were redesigned to swing and seam much longer and basically forever, every wicket is more sporting except maybe Edgbaston this series but Bumrah didn't play that. The Batting and Bowling output in Bumrah's games is closer to the games Sydney Barnes played than it is to the games Imran Khan played, I repeat, the Batting and Bowling output in Bumrah's games is closer to Sydney Francis Barnes's games, than Imran Khan's.
Imran used tampering to equalise the playing field, having the historically most batting friendly roadiest road wickets ever for home and a ball that would get old in five overs, I reckon Bumrah has enough advantages over Imran that the latter constructing a single advantage doesn't mean we should disqualify his record.
Imran used tampering to equalise the playing field, having the historically most batting friendly roadiest road wickets ever for home and a ball that would get old in five overs, I reckon Bumrah has enough advantages over Imran that the latter constructing a single advantage doesn't mean we should disqualify his record.
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