adharcric
International Coach
He gave up 67 runs in the 3rd ODI, albeit against Lara on a bad day (for Kumble). I do agree with you though, just trying to make you look like a fool.
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pacespinner
Cricket Spectator
I don't understand why we are having this conversation about Powar and Kumble. There is no doubt that both are good, but Kumble has seen it all and is one of the best bowlers India has. He can be counted on at times, so there is no reason that Kumble should be kept out or thought about as an option. At this point, there is no comparison between Kumble and Powar. For this world cup, just keep him as extra...
Agarkar is the strike bowler ofcourse, but I feel more comfortable with Pathan, Sreesanth, and Zaheer than Agarkar. This is my feeling. I still would say that Gambhir should be rested and Sehwag should be pushed back to the middle, just in case!!!
ANYWAYS....No one talked about their batting line up... What you think about the batting line up...
Agarkar is the strike bowler ofcourse, but I feel more comfortable with Pathan, Sreesanth, and Zaheer than Agarkar. This is my feeling. I still would say that Gambhir should be rested and Sehwag should be pushed back to the middle, just in case!!!
ANYWAYS....No one talked about their batting line up... What you think about the batting line up...
i agree with you,,, kumble is more likely to give away 40 to 50 runs, wheras powar can be inconsistent! I guess, in the WC, its better not to take those sort of risks. However, LOL at the irony...kumble gave away 67 runs in the 3rd ODI!
But ur point is correct!
The only reason we are talking about powar as well is the fact that he is actually good and deserves a spot in the team...but the argument is that he should not take the place of any of our spinners ( i.e Bhajji and kumble)! Thats all!
Pathan in the team is not a comfortable thought for me! I actually used to like the guy a lot..more than any other indian bowler...but he has lost pace and direction and we know that he is useless without his swing! I really, really hope that he performs in the SL tour....as he would be a great asset if he were in form...but i guess thats obvious
As for gambhir being rested...i dont think they should do that...he needs to still prove his worth IMO! I know thats a little harsh, but he has just had two low scores in a row and its not like his place in the team is secure (unlike the other middle order batsmen! However, i guess we need utappa to carry on for sehwag to get some practise! I guess we'll see how this dilemma is solved when the tour starts!
Pratters
Cricket, Lovely Cricket
I was just about to put a team as well adharcric related to the Kumble-Powar Harbhajan discussion.
The 15 for the world cup would be -
2 openers, 3 middle order batsmen, 1 keeper, 5 bowlers (Patha as one then) in the xi.
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2 openers, 4 middle order batsmen, 1 keeper, 4 bowlers in the xi.
Let us take the 4 middle order batsmen team here just to put in maximum batsmen (to ascertain if we can pick three spinners or not). An extra opener and middle order batsman would mean a total of 13 players. Given that the Windies pitches are unlikely to have as much bounce, I would definitely select three spinners in the squad - Kumble, Harbhajan Singh and Powar and 1 backup pacer. I wouldn't go for a reserve keeper because in case of a crisis of a Dhoni being injured, we can have Dravid keep (or Karthik if he makes the squad as the reserve specialist batsman).
The 15 for the world cup would be -
2 openers, 3 middle order batsmen, 1 keeper, 5 bowlers (Patha as one then) in the xi.
or
2 openers, 4 middle order batsmen, 1 keeper, 4 bowlers in the xi.
Let us take the 4 middle order batsmen team here just to put in maximum batsmen (to ascertain if we can pick three spinners or not). An extra opener and middle order batsman would mean a total of 13 players. Given that the Windies pitches are unlikely to have as much bounce, I would definitely select three spinners in the squad - Kumble, Harbhajan Singh and Powar and 1 backup pacer. I wouldn't go for a reserve keeper because in case of a crisis of a Dhoni being injured, we can have Dravid keep (or Karthik if he makes the squad as the reserve specialist batsman).
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adharcric
International Coach
Taking 3 spinners is definitely a possibility. I'm not too sure about how Pathan and Sreesanth will fare in conditions that may not support swing bowling too much. We should strongly consider playing only four bowlers - Zaheer, Agarkar/Munaf, Kumble and Bhajji for example - especially if Sehwag strikes form against Sri Lanka. Ganguly, Sehwag, Tendulkar and Yuvraj are definitely enough to fill the quota of ten overs.
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Pratters
Cricket, Lovely Cricket
I would select just one of Pathan and Sreesanth in the final squad of 15. Four bowlers is some thing the Indian management might be consdering or might do well to consider. Just a couple of days ago, Chappell mentioned that Tendulkar should bowl more. Ganguly, Sehwag and Tendulkar can definitely fill in 10 overs.We didn't do too badly in World Cup 2003 playing 7 batsmen. Another aspect is that even if we play Powar, he might add some thing to do tail batting but it would be just that and not much more. He is not some one who is that strong with the bat to rely upon that much. His List A batting average is 17 or some thing after 75 plus matches - not that great. So playing 5 bowlers with Pathan and Powar filling in the role of the extra batsman doesn't really work. I would go in with 4 bowlers myself even if we do not have Sehwag (he shouldn't be selected just because he can bowl) with Tendulkar and Ganguly filling in the 5th bowler's role.
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adharcric
International Coach
Realistically, we should have three viable part-time options if we are going to go in with 4 bowlers. Provided Yuvraj can be reliable (he looked pretty good in Baroda), Sehwag will not be necessary. Of course, Sehwag will really help in that department if he can sort out his batting issues. Pathan should only play as an all-rounder if he can take big wickets with the new ball. The part-timers will be better options than Pathan with the old ball on the slow, low pitches of the West Indies. Finally, Pathan is a handy batsman but he's not a specialist batsman. In short, he needs to take early wickets or get dropped. Dravid should give him the new ball.
Pup Clarke
Cricketer Of The Year
So Sehwag is going to be called up for the Sri Lanka series to regain "batting touch"?.What sort of message does this send to the likes of Uthappa and Gambhir.Sehwag has been hoplessly out of form in the last 6 months and his one day record is nothing special.Feel the is very weak from the Indian selectors and I think tough decisions need to be made if the likes of Uthappa and Gambhir are going to develop into good one day players.For example,Kaif was dropped for the WI series and he wasn't in as bad a form as Sehwag.I don't think he deserves to go to the World Cup.Anyways rant over....
My India WC Squad
Ganguly
Uthappa
Yuvraj
Dravid
Tendulkar
Gambhir
Raina
Dhoni
Karthik
Agarkar
Kumble
Zaheer
Pathan
Harbhajan
Munaf
My India WC Squad
Ganguly
Uthappa
Yuvraj
Dravid
Tendulkar
Gambhir
Raina
Dhoni
Karthik
Agarkar
Kumble
Zaheer
Pathan
Harbhajan
Munaf
Pup Clarke
Cricketer Of The Year
Pup Clarke
Cricketer Of The Year
He either opens or is out of the team IMO.Not the sort of player who will push the field and look for ones and twos.If he returns in the middle order in the Sri Lanka series India will have made a huge mistake.Much rather prefer Raina or Kaif in that position.Uhh, Sehwag would make a return as a middle-order batsman ... appreciate the rest of your rant though.
pacespinner
Cricket Spectator
Ok guys have good lay out on the batsman order. Here is mine:
Ganguly
Utthappa
Tendulakar
Sehwag
Dravid
Uvaraj
Dhoni
Agarkar
Sreesanth
Kumble
Harbhajan
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Any of the following can be used incase of Injuries:
Zaheer
Karthik
Pathan
Munaf
Ganguly
Utthappa
Tendulakar
Sehwag
Dravid
Uvaraj
Dhoni
Agarkar
Sreesanth
Kumble
Harbhajan
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Any of the following can be used incase of Injuries:
Zaheer
Karthik
Pathan
Munaf
Jono
Virat Kohli (c)
I'll have a go at mine:
Uthappa
Ganguly
Dravid
Tendulkar
Yuvraj
Sehwag
Dhoni
Harbhajan
Zaheer
Kumble/Powar
Agarkar/Munaf
Obviously if Powar and AA play, they bat higher.
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Kumble/Powar
Agarkar/Munaf
Pathan
Karthik
Pup Clarke
Cricketer Of The Year
Why Sehwag at number 6?.Surely there are better options then him in the middle order and plus he is a blocker or boundary hitter so if you tie him down he will inivitably run out of patience and get out.Number 6 is a crucial postion in the one day game and Sehwag is certainly not a "finisher" in the mold of Hussey or Bevan.
alternative
Cricket Web Content Updater
Uthappa
Ganguly
Dravid
Tendulkar
Yuvraj
Sehwag/Karthik
Dhoni
Harbhajan
Zaheer
Kumble/Powar
Agarkar/Munaf
If only one spinner then AA, Munaf and Zaheer should all field.
Ganguly
Dravid
Tendulkar
Yuvraj
Sehwag/Karthik
Dhoni
Harbhajan
Zaheer
Kumble/Powar
Agarkar/Munaf
If only one spinner then AA, Munaf and Zaheer should all field.
Jono
Virat Kohli (c)
Its in my opinion that Sehwag will eventually be a middle order batsman in the ODI team when Sachin and Dravid are gone. I realise I'm in the minority here, but his problems in the ODI game have been when he's opening and trying to blast everything when the fielders are set up in catching positions throughout the offside.
However if they're on the boundary, there is room for him to launch and he's showed what he can do in the middle order vs. South Africa.
http://www1.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/2005-06/RSA_IN_IND/SCORECARDS/RSA_IND_ODI2_19NOV2005.html