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[Prince EWS]

Haha Ashwin nearly did a Prosper!

 

[Cevno]

lol @ Ashwin walking accross beyond the stumps when the run up of the bowler starts.

 

[Furball]

Yeah but because he's of reasonable pace (unlike other new ball specialists), England have never really tried to get all his overs out of the way early. He often comes back at the death and gets hammered and they keep thinking he'll be fine because there's no completely obvious reason why he isn't. I don't know if the two new balls will make them re-think that or just go with the "it'll still be swinging in the 45th over now!" mentality and still bowl the guy at the death.

His bowling in that over which got hammered would've been excellent if he'd done it in the 28th over instead of the 48th. Movement in the air and every delivery on the stumps. Problem was it was presented on a length, which is exactly what you want when you're trying to belt every delivery into the stands.

 

[Prince EWS]

His bowling in that over which got hammered would've been excellent if he'd done it in the 28th over instead of the 48th. Movement in the air and every delivery on the stumps. Problem was it was presented on a length, which is exactly what you want when you're trying to belt every delivery into the stands.

Yep, completely agree. That's not as obvious a thing to detect as "he's slow" though so they'll probably never see him as the new ball specialist he should be in this format.

 

[Jacknife]

His bowling in that over which got hammered would've been excellent if he'd done it in the 28th over instead of the 48th. Movement in the air and every delivery on the stumps. Problem was it was presented on a length, which is exactly what you want when you're trying to belt every delivery into the stands.

Agree, the funny thing about Jimmy is he used to be a really decent death bowler when he first came on the scene. Like today you can see he doesn't work on his yorkers because they mostly end up as half volleys.

 

[Cevno]

Yeah but because he's of reasonable pace (unlike other new ball specialists), England have never really tried to get all his overs out of the way early. He often comes back at the death and gets hammered and they keep thinking he'll be fine because there's no completely obvious reason why he isn't. I don't know if the two new balls will make them re-think that or just go with the "it'll still be swinging in the 45th over now!" mentality and still bowl the guy at the death.

That's true here but in other conditions, his pace at the death if not mixed up well could actually be a obvious disadvantage.

 

[Cevno]

Decent last over by Dernbach with the Powerplay over,tbf.

Pretty good recovery from India and i would say a slightly below par score but still defendable.

 

[Prince EWS]

That's true here but in other conditions, his pace at the death if not mixed up well could actually be a obvious disadvantage.

Yeah no doubt. They won't see it like that though. I'm not arguing with the logic; just the likelihood.

 

[Prince EWS]

Jadeja to bowl 10-0-47-3 and jag MOTM.

 

[MW1304]

I think the fact that Ashwin has this sort of batting talent (and has shown it domestically) was kind of his point though. What he'd shown in international cricket thus far completely belied his ability as he was batting without a brain.

I meant the timing of it. He says it after the last match and Ashwin goes and does that straight away - bit annoying.

 

[honestbharani]

Jadeja playing a really good knock here!!

Told you he has improved. Sometimes you CAN judge off the IPL.

 

[Furball]

Agree, the funny thing about Jimmy is he used to be a really decent death bowler when he first came on the scene. Like today you can see he doesn't work on his yorkers because they mostly end up as half volleys.

Yeah, but he was a fairly crap Test bowler for ages. Give me Jimmeh 2011 over Jimmeh 2003 any day.

He simply shouldn't be bowling beyond the 30th over in any circumstances. For all the strides we've made as a Test unit the coaching staff still seem to be a little lacking when it comes to the ODI side, Anderson's role, particularly with the rule change that will bring in two new balls, should be to do what he did today; wreck the top order, if conditions suit bowling his 10 overs before the 30 over mark and leave the rest of it to the other bowlers.

Cribb made a point about his fitness; provided England are managing his workload sensibly I don't see why he couldn't bowl 10 overs unchanged with the new ball. In Australia he managed to get through about 4000 overs, which included a trip halfway round the world and back for the birth of his child, and was just as good, if not better, in Melbourne and Sydney as he was in Brisbane and Adelaide.

 

[Prince EWS]

Told you he has improved. Sometimes you CAN judge off the IPL.

He's always been a bit gun IMO. He was just in a rut he found he hard to get out of, rarely came in to bat in a situation that suited his game of building an innings (unlike here), was bascially hated by millions and under-performed as a result. I think it was all a bit much for a 20 year old; he could be a really important cricketer for India going forward though as I've said before.

 

[Jacknife]

Yeah, but he was a fairly crap Test bowler for ages. Give me Jimmeh 2011 over Jimmeh 2003 any day.

He simply shouldn't be bowling beyond the 30th over in any circumstances. For all the strides we've made as a Test unit the coaching staff still seem to be a little lacking when it comes to the ODI side, Anderson's role, particularly with the rule change that will bring in two new balls, should be to do what he did today; wreck the top order, if conditions suit bowling his 10 overs before the 30 over mark and leave the rest of it to the other bowlers.

Cribb made a point about his fitness; provided England are managing his workload sensibly I don't see why he couldn't bowl 10 overs unchanged with the new ball. In Australia he managed to get through about 4000 overs, which included a trip halfway round the world and back for the birth of his child, and was just as good, if not better, in Melbourne and Sydney as he was in Brisbane and Adelaide.

Yes I agree totally when the change comes in he could easily reel off 10 overs. His pace seems down even from ODi's last year when he was around 86-88mph sort of pace, I don't know if it's just down to bowling within himself but it's different.
No surprise as he's become a gun test bowler his one day bowling is not quite what he was.

 

[Prince EWS]

RP is getting through his action a bit better today; he's reminding me a little more of the 2007 version. Still looks a shadow of the bowler he was though, and he was never any better than decent then anyway, but it's slightly better signs for him.

 

[Jono]

Jadeja is an allrounder in domestic cricket and Ashwin has always been able to bat, so the "their spinners are actually batsmen" isn't really relevant. Not like Mishra scoring runs.

Lol at Jono saying India's tail always bat like retards. Damn you Ashwin.

You realise this innings completely proved my point right?

I think the fact that Ashwin has this sort of batting talent (and has shown it domestically) was kind of his point though. What he'd shown in international cricket thus far completely belied his ability as he was batting without a brain.

Actually what he was saying was that with all the ability they have they were batting like Retards playing Crazy shots to get out.

Actually proven right tbf.

Thank you.

 

[superkingdave]

No way I can see Bedwetter lasting long here.

 

[nsniks]

Need early strikes otherwise its england in driving seat

 

[Howe_zat]

Keiswetter should just go for it. If it works we get well ahead of the rate and we're quids in, if not we can go over to Trott and Cook to chase this properly. If he's not going to rotate the strike (he can't) he should at least give it some.

 

[Prince EWS]

Jadeja is an allrounder in domestic cricket and Ashwin has always been able to bat, so the "their spinners are actually batsmen" isn't really relevant. Not like Mishra scoring runs..

So, in other words:

Mishra's a bit different to Ashin and Jadeja though. Both of these two - especially Jadeja - are genuine middle order batsmen in domestic FC cricket. Mishra's a handy lower order bat with a good technique but his 80 odd was a much bigger surprise than this is.

I've made your posts for you today; hopefully you can take over from here though because it's pretty painful. I suppose my mother should be expecting a call from Murphy soon as well.