***Official*** New Zealand in Bangladesh

[Polo23]

how about you two put this argument to rest, you are wasting you life arguing about the career of a young guy who is it so hard to judge how good he will be.

Agree with Tailender. We pretty much had it all sorted mate.

 

[Nutter]

Just throwing this in... Southee and Boult to be our opening bowlers by 2011?

 

[Polo23]

Just throwing this in... Southee and Boult to be our opening bowlers by 2011?

I wouldnt be overly surprised. I think over time Boult will overtake guys like Gillespie and Mason in the pecking order.

 

[NZTailender]

Just throwing this in... Southee and Boult to be our opening bowlers by 2011?

In the World Cup? Possibly. In tests? I don't know. I imagine Southee will step up to the new ball in tests in a few years time. Jimmy-James Franklin may not be in the ODI picture, depending on how his development in that form goes, but barring injury, I think he'll be our opening bowler in tests at the time too (when he'll be 30) as he is quick, can hit the deck hard and swing the ball too.

Boult would be the natural replacement for opening duties when Franklin gets a bit older, and Boult will be in his mid 20's. That is, if he does indeed live up to his potential. We have a rather exciting group of young quicks coming through the ranks at the moment, which is great to see.

 

[NZTailender]

XIs for the first ODI, anyone?

NZ
1. B McCullum+
2. J Ryder
3. J How
4. R Taylor
5. S Styris
6. J Oram
7. G Elliott
8. D Vettori*
9. K Mills
10. T Southee
11. J Patel

Bats incredibly low with more bowling options than a specialised crockery shop.

 

[Nutter]

XIs for the first ODI, anyone?

NZ
1. B McCullum+
2. J Ryder
3. J How
4. R Taylor
5. S Styris
6. J Oram
7. G Elliott
8. D Vettori*
9. K Mills
10. T Southee
11. J Patel

Bats incredibly low with more bowling options than a specialised crockery shop.

Looks a pretty decent lineup to me! Bowling options galore!! Everyone in that team bar McCullum can turn the arm over!

 

[Polo23]

XIs for the first ODI, anyone?

NZ
1. B McCullum+
2. J Ryder
3. J How
4. R Taylor
5. S Styris
6. J Oram
7. G Elliott
8. D Vettori*
9. K Mills
10. T Southee
11. J Patel

Bats incredibly low with more bowling options than a specialised crockery shop.

Looks about right to me. Flynn could also get a gig for Elliott if his bowling is unused. Oh, and i'd probably prefer to have Gillespie in favour of Patel.

 

[KiWiNiNjA]

NZ
1. B McCullum+
2. J Ryder
3. J How
4. R Taylor
5. S Styris
6. J Oram
7. G Elliott
8. D Vettori*
9. K Mills
10. T Southee
11. J Patel

Surely this is the only possible line up.

Elliot > Flynn
I'd rather have the extra bowling back up for WHEN one (or all) of the other bowlers get smashed to pieces..............

Hold on, I forgot who we were playing. Delete previous comments from memory.

It doesnt matter, but that seems about right.

 

[Polo23]

Also, McCullum won't bat at 1 :P

 

[NZTailender]

Looks a pretty decent lineup to me! Bowling options galore!! Everyone in that team bar McCullum can turn the arm over!

Taylor doesn't bowl much anymore these days though, and isn't as good at turning his arm over as he used to be. IMO we don't need him to.

How hardly worth considering for his part timers either...

Looks about right to me. Flynn could also get a gig for Elliott if his bowling is unused. Oh, and i'd probably prefer to have Gillespie in favour of Patel.

Elliott has done nothing to be deserving of a drop. Averging 50 with the bat and 8 with the ball in ODI cricket. At this stage has had more bowling than batting; will share his overs with Oram one imagines, who may not be given too many ahead of the tests in case he gets injured.

Would rather Gillespie doesn't set foot near the ODI team. He's more use to us in tests.

Surely this is the only possible line up.

Elliot > Flynn
I'd rather have the extra bowling back up for WHEN one (or all) of the other bowlers get smashed to pieces..............

Hold on, I forgot who we were playing. Delete previous comments from memory.

It doesnt matter, but that seems about right.

Tbh I'd prefer Flynn plays tests for now. Without wanting to get into another Southee-esque debate, he'll get absolutely murdered by the Australians in ODI cricket, and I'm not that overwhelmed with confidence for him playing tests against them either. But, IMO, long form cricket is what he's best at. Would rather he continue to develop his shorter game (list a average of under 30...) with a long term aim of replacing Styris.

Also, McCullum won't bat at 1 :P

Yeah, never pay much attention to who faces the first ball actually But those will be the openers...

 

[Polo23]

Elliott has done nothing to be deserving of a drop. Averging 50 with the bat and 8 with the ball in ODI cricket. At this stage has had more bowling than batting; will share his overs with Oram one imagines, who may not be given too many ahead of the tests in case he gets injured.

I didn't say Elliott deserved to be, or should be dropped. I said we had Flynn there as backup if for whatever reason Elliott needs to be dropped/rested/rotated etc.

Would rather Gillespie doesn't set foot near the ODI team. He's more use to us in tests.

How does Gillespie deserve to be dropped? He bowled well in the OD series against England, took some vital wickets and looked to be far more accurate than he has in past series. I thought he was starting to grow into the role of a quality ODI seamer, it would be a shame to drop him for absolutely no reason just when he is starting to come good.

Tbh I'd prefer Flynn plays tests for now. Without wanting to get into another Southee-esque debate, he'll get absolutely murdered by the Australians in ODI cricket, and I'm not that overwhelmed with confidence for him playing tests against them either. But, IMO, long form cricket is what he's best at. Would rather he continue to develop his shorter game (list a average of under 30...) with a long term aim of replacing Styris.

Impossible to know how he would go against Australia in ODI's. He looked handy in the ODI series against England..got a few starts but never pushed on, and I wouldnt rate Australia's bowling attack that much higher than England's...if higher at all.

 

[NZTailender]

I didn't say Elliott deserved to be, or should be dropped. I said we had Flynn there as backup if for whatever reason Elliott needs to be dropped/rested/rotated etc.

Yeah, true. Just saying Elliott has been great in his ODI career to date.

How does Gillespie deserve to be dropped? He bowled well in the OD series against England, took some vital wickets and looked to be far more accurate than he has in past series. I thought he was starting to grow into the role of a quality ODI seamer, it would be a shame to drop him for absolutely no reason just when he is starting to come good.

Gillespie is at best a replacement bowler for us. He's been mainly woeful in all of his ODI appearances with a few good performances here and there. I mean, he averages a shade under 40 with an economy of 5.47. He had a good series in England, granted (3 matches, 2 where he bowled superbly, and one where he was very poor) but overall I don't think he's an option that should be persevered with.

Impossible to know how he would go against Australia in ODI's. He looked handy in the ODI series against England..got a few starts but never pushed on, and I wouldnt rate Australia's bowling attack that much higher than England's...if higher at all.

We won't know until he plays them, but Australia's bowling attack is far better than England's ODI attack. Not sure why you'd say that, as Lee and Bracken are two of the best ever quicks in ODI cricket, while Mitchell Johnson has a great start to his ODI career, and I would rather them than any of England's pure bowlers. Really, the only place where England shades Australia's ODI attack is they have a decent spinner in Swann.

 

[Polo23]

Gillespie is at best a replacement bowler for us. He's been mainly woeful in all of his ODI appearances with a few good performances here and there. I mean, he averages a shade under 40 with an economy of 5.47. He had a good series in England, granted (3 matches, 2 where he bowled superbly, and one where he was very poor) but overall I don't think he's an option that should be persevered with.

Before the England series I would have agreed with you. But now I think he deserves to be persevered with a little longer. Anyway, on Australian pitches we can't play 2 spinners in an ODI, who do you suggest replaces Gillespie?

We won't know until he plays them, but Australia's bowling attack is far better than England's ODI attack. Not sure why you'd say that, as Lee and Bracken are two of the best ever quicks in ODI cricket, while Mitchell Johnson has a great start to his ODI career, and I would rather them than any of England's pure bowlers. Really, the only place where England shades Australia's ODI attack is they have a decent spinner in Swann.

I don't know. While I agree Lee and Bracken are two of the worlds best ODI quicks I would rate Sidebottom of similar quality. Broad has also been absolutely fantastic in the last year or two and Anderson seems to have recaptured the spark he had when he first entered international cricket. With Harmison coming back to his best and Swann being decent I wouldnt put England's bowling lineup too far behind Australia's at the moment.

 

[Jungle Jumbo]

Bangladesh Squad for ODIs
Tamim Iqbal, Junaid Siddique, Mohammad Ashraful (capt), Shakib Al Hasan, Mehrab Hossain jnr, Mushfiqur Rahim (wk), Mashrafe Mortaza, Abdur Razzak, Shahadat Hossain, Syed Rasel, Mahmudullah, Imrul Kayes, Naeem Islam, Mahbubul Alam

A bit on the newcomers...

Imrul Kayes is a promising opening batsman with a decent first-class record, Naeem Islam is a handy, steady middle-order batsman capable of finishing an innings or leading a fightback. Bowls a few offies as well. Mahbubul Alam is your generic Bangladesh seamer, read Mohammad Sharif.

Possible XI:
1 Tamim Iqbal
2 Junaid Siddique
3 Naeem Islam
4 Mohammad Ashraful (c)
5 Shakib Al Hasan
6 Mahmudullah
7 Mushfiqur Rahim (wk)
8 Mashrafe Mortaza
9 Abdur Razzak
10 Syed Rasel
11 Shahadat Hossain

Possible alterations include playing either Imrul Kayes or Mehrab instead of Naeem or possibly Mahmudullah. Can't see much flexibility on the bowling front though. Also Ashraful seems to like batting himself at three, although I think he's better off at five. Naeem can bat anywhere in the order though.

 

[NZTailender]

Before the England series I would have agreed with you. But now I think he deserves to be persevered with a little longer. Anyway, on Australian pitches we can't play 2 spinners in an ODI, who do you suggest replaces Gillespie?

Good question. I guess if Gillespie does play in Bangladesh and is in form it'd be logical to play him in Aus. Though if he doesn't it'll be basically down to him and Mason, and I rate Mason higher in the shorter format and think he deserves a shot. But it's almost a lesser of two evils argument, as it will be who will be the least savaged by Australia.

 

[NUFAN]

So gun that Syed Rasel is back, wouldn't surprise me to see him dominate the NZ top order.

 

[Polo23]

So gun that Syed Rasel is back, wouldn't surprise me to see him dominate the NZ top order.

Now that's wishful thinking if ever i've seen it.

By the way, does anyone have any sort of update/live scorecard for this tour game between NZ and Bangladesh Cricket Board XI?

Lately i've began to hate cricinfo. Their coverage is beyond ridiculous for games which arent full internationals. They could atleast have semi-live updates.

 

[NUFAN]

Now that's wishful thinking if ever i've seen it.

By the way, does anyone have any sort of update/live scorecard for this tour game between NZ and Bangladesh Cricket Board XI?

Lately i've began to hate cricinfo. Their coverage is beyond ridiculous for games which arent full internationals. They could atleast have semi-live updates.

He currently averages 22 against New Zealand with the ball

 

[Polo23]

He currently averages 22 against New Zealand with the ball

In one match..where we bowled Bangladesh out for 174 and chased it down for 1 wicket in 29.2 overs. I wouldnt exactly say he dominated us.

 

[NUFAN]

In one match..where we bowled Bangladesh out for 174 and chased it down for 1 wicket in 29.2 overs. I wouldnt exactly say he dominated us.

No I wouldn't either.

I just said that it wouldn't surprise me if/when he does dominate NZ's top order and then gave you his career average against the Kiwi's.