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Official Jasprit Bumrah fanboying thread
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Casually adds 2 more away 5-fers and sitting on top with Avg 19 and SR 42 with 168 wickets for away. One more 5-fer and only 3 pacers - McGrath, Hadlee and Wasim will have more away 5-fers.
30 more away wickets at similar output and he goes in top 5 pacers without hesitation for me.
30 more away wickets at similar output and he goes in top 5 pacers without hesitation for me.
Has to be the candidate given he has been gun in all 3 formats.
I guess, only competition is SRT in my opinion. If Bumrah can cement his spot as top 3 test bowler then he will have a strong case for the best cricketer from India. SRT usually features among the top 5 list in both formats.
SillyCowCorner1
Moooo
Bow down to the best pacer of this generation
SRT way ahead. We’ll talk 200 wickets later
Thala_0710
International Vice-Captain
In tests he's top 5 for sure, and arguably top 3 already. In ODIs he's in the top 6-8 for me so far... And he's greatest T20 player from India imo ahead of Kohli. So overall it depends on the weights you give to each format.
Overall I'd put him top 5 for now definitely. Probably even top 3. By the team he's done though, he should be top 2 minimum.
Thala_0710
International Vice-Captain
No 1 is tough though, because if we're only taking players who have played both ODIs and Tests (full careers), Sachin is arguably the GOAT irrespective of nation. So it's tough to dislodge him.
sayon basak
Cricketer Of The Year
Which he most likely won't.
I frankly did not expect him to get to 215 wickets. 85 more wickets at similar impact/rate - He goes among the top 3-4 test bowler for me.
But you are right, 85 is lots of wickets specially with his action.
India/Bumrah have been not playing many games against WI/BD/SL and can't play Pakistan otherwise he would have gotten closer to 300 mark. I think Bumrah is averaging 10-12 against those teams. Filling up boots against bottom teams helps to get higher wicket counts. For example, IK/Hadlee had 35-45 wickets just against SL. 2 Ws had around 50-80 wickets against BD/Zim.
Bumrah is mostly playing against the top 4 oppositions of his era.
OverratedSanity
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Gotta have a case even without the longevity. You can't have a conversation about the greatest player without including in the mix the only ATG level bowler the nation has ever produced. Tendulkar is probably a better candidate for best batsman ever (ignoring that statistical alien) than Bumrah is for the best bowler ever so he maybe wins out, but an ATG quick's impact on games is undeniable so even if he retires tomorrow, I'd have him up there among Indians.
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smash84
The Tiger King
I would go so far as to say that impact wise (speaking in terms of series where he has managed to play) he may already be top 3 Asians for me. The other 2 being Imran and Murali. If he gets to 300 wickets playing the way he does I might just have him as my GOAT ahead of bowlers such as Marshall, Hadlee, and McGrath.
Swamp Witch Hattie
U19 12th Man
Randomfan, I thought I would elaborate further on the bolded text within your quoted post which might otherwise be misconstrued.
Bumrah's record against WI/BD/SL:
Bumrah's record with WI/BD/SL removed:
(I think when you first submitted your post, the figures might have been 215 at 19.50 and 181 at 21.22, i.e. not that different so I will stick with the updated figures)
Hadlee's record against SL (the only minnows he faced):
Hadlee's record with SL removed:
Bumrah's fraction of his Tests against WI/BD/SL = 6/47 = 12.8% > 7.0% = 6/86 = Hadlee's fraction of his Tests against SL
Bumrah's fraction of his wickets against WI/BD/SL = 34/217 = 15.7% > 8.6% = 37/431 = Hadlee's fraction of his wickets against SL
Bumrah's bowling average improvement with WI/BD/SL = 1.71 > 0.90 = Hadlee's bowling average improvement with SL
Bumrah's fraction of his fifers against WI/BD/SL = 3/15 = 20% > 5.6% = 2/36 = Hadlee's fraction of his fifers against SL
Bumrah's fraction of his tenfers against WI/BD/SL = 0/0, i.e. undefined (
) cf. 11.1% = 1/9 = Hadlee's fraction of his tenfers against SL
Great break up. My point was only about Bumrah being closer to 300 wickets if India/Bumrah had played more against bottom 4 teams. Hadlee anyway has way more than 400 test wickets so even without minnow , he would have easily be in 300+. Same is true for Wasim, but not for Waqar.Randomfan, I thought I would elaborate further on the bolded text within your quoted post which might otherwise be misconstrued.
Bumrah's record against WI/BD/SL:
View attachment 48639
Bumrah's record with WI/BD/SL removed:
View attachment 48640
(I think when you first submitted your post, the figures might have been 215 at 19.50 and 181 at 21.22, i.e. not that different so I will stick with the updated figures)
Hadlee's record against SL (the only minnows he faced):
View attachment 48641
Hadlee's record with SL removed:
View attachment 48642
Bumrah's fraction of his Tests against WI/BD/SL = 6/47 = 12.8% > 7.0% = 6/86 = Hadlee's fraction of his Tests against SL
Bumrah's fraction of his wickets against WI/BD/SL = 34/217 = 15.7% > 8.6% = 37/431 = Hadlee's fraction of his wickets against SL
Bumrah's bowling average improvement with WI/BD/SL = 1.71 > 0.90 = Hadlee's bowling average improvement with SL
Bumrah's fraction of his fifers against WI/BD/SL = 3/15 = 20% > 5.6% = 2/36 = Hadlee's fraction of his fifers against SL
Bumrah's fraction of his tenfers against WI/BD/SL = 0/0, i.e. undefined (