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**Official** England in The West Indies
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Tim
Cricketer Of The Year
Obviously Andre you were out to flame me there because I referred in one of my posts that in India, NZ had it all wrong with their batting lineup...hence the reason why they were pretty much thumped in that series.
And im not sure why you've singled out NZ as being discussed in every thread...it usually happens with every team.
And im not sure why you've singled out NZ as being discussed in every thread...it usually happens with every team.
Langeveldt
Soutie
yeh i have to agree with you a bit there tim....
Tim
Cricketer Of The Year
I hate getting involved in arguments, but im not afraid to take one up.
The fact is..Andre has shown little interest in this thread. He's posted only 5 times & its no coincidence that he's had a go at me considering what has happened in 2 or 3 other threads before.
Thats the last I will post on the matter..now lets get back to the cricket.
The fact is..Andre has shown little interest in this thread. He's posted only 5 times & its no coincidence that he's had a go at me considering what has happened in 2 or 3 other threads before.
Thats the last I will post on the matter..now lets get back to the cricket.
bhooth nath
School Boy/Girl Captain
west indies look to be a highly inconsitent team. in the 1st 3 tests, when england took a small lead of less than 100, west indies collapsed in the 2nd innings to give england an easy target with which they won. west indies also made a 47 and 94 all out team score. in the 4th test, they made 751/5 :O
when it came to odis, west indies chased 280+ twice in 2 games. all this shows that west indies are not a good test team but still they are a good odi team, but are highly inconsistent. not so long ago, west indies made 54 all out chasing 263 and chased 300+ 2 games later despite the fact that they failed to chase 180 in the game between the 2.
when it came to odis, west indies chased 280+ twice in 2 games. all this shows that west indies are not a good test team but still they are a good odi team, but are highly inconsistent. not so long ago, west indies made 54 all out chasing 263 and chased 300+ 2 games later despite the fact that they failed to chase 180 in the game between the 2.
Arjun
Cricketer Of The Year
I would say Harmison was unlucky in the last match, but the other bowlers just bowled rubbish. This England attack is 10x better than what the opposition has. Is it really so difficult to bowl 6 balls on the spot? When 280+ totals are conceded so regularly, there is a problem with the bowling attack. Much as many want Harmison out, he's the most effectiveo of the bowlers, Test or ODI. You'll have to remove the weakest link in the bowling. And is knocking over such a weak tail really a big task?
That said, the ground fielding was messy. How could anyone miss such an easy direct hit? That Bravo runout could have won the match!
That said, the ground fielding was messy. How could anyone miss such an easy direct hit? That Bravo runout could have won the match!
tooextracool
International Coach
its not surprising that their best performances have been on the 3 flattest tracks of the tour.bhooth nath said:
Mr Mxyzptlk
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You speak as if England were amazing on the seaming tracks. Take Thorpe and Butcher out of the equation and they struggled quite a bit too.tooextracool said:
luckyeddie
Cricket Web Staff Member
Perhaps they choked in the recent ODI'svishnureddy said:
tooextracool
International Coach
nope the english batting wasnt something to be proud off, the younger batsmen(trescothick,vaughan,flintoff and read) failed to impress in that test series and it was up to hussain,butcher and thorpe to bail them out every time. the difference between the 2 sides was that while englands main batsmen bailed them out the only 2 capable and experienced batsmen in those conditions struggled for form in that series.Mr Mxyzptlk said:
bhooth nath
School Boy/Girl Captain
tooextracool, the english batting was nothing special. in the tracks you call "flat", england made a score of less than 300 in the 4th test before vaughan helped england to a draw in the 2nd innings. in the 2 odis played on "flat" tracks, england suffered lower order collapses in both the matches and despite that fact that englishmen claimed that they have a strong bowling, they failed to defend 280 twice in 2 games. i guess england were just lucky to win the first 3 tests as the west indies team crmbled under pressure of conceding a 1st innings lead. had it been with any other team, the result would have been 2-1 to any of the 2 teams. this england 3-0 result is surprising.tooextracool said:
Neil Pickup
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That's an intriguing analysis.bhooth nath said:
The Antigua track was undeniably flat - the fact that we collapsed was down to fatigue in the field, and our second innings bore this out.
The "lower order collapses" in the St Lucia ODIs were solely down to the chase for quick runs. I'll take 280-8 over 275-3 every time, thanks.
280 wasn't a fantastic total by all accounts on that pitch - it seemed par for the course, very much like 220-235 would be on most grounds, so it didn't surprise me too much to see it chased down, especially the second time round with a broken Flintoff.
The difference between the two teams was the application of Thorpe, Hussain and Butcher and the fact that we did not collapse when it mattered.