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***Official*** England in Pakistan
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superkingdave
Hall of Fame Member
thats what the reports i've read suggest
wpdavid
Hall of Fame Member
I'd be surprised if they didn't pick 2 spinners out there, despite what the press are suggesting.greg said:
You can see us struggling to bowl Pakistan out - historically we always have done, over there, whoever's been our attack. Giles was our best bowler in 2000, and he should be a more confident perfomer now, but I think the rest will struggle. Maybe Fred will do OK if he gets it to reverse, and I'll be interested to see how Udal goes, but that's about it. My guess is that Vaughan will just try to keep it very tight and hope that the Pakistanis implode from time to time, which has been know to happen. I would imagine our batting will be more positive than 5 years ago though.
BoyBrumby
Englishman
I'd certainly think we'd be looking to play two spinners, particularly in light of Jones The Swerve's injury. If all 4 of our first choice seamers were fit I think you could make a case for going with them plus Gilo with Vaughan (& KP at a stretch) as the spinning back-up. Now tho, to chuck in the uncapped Tremlett (knee permitting) or the unproven Anderson in conditions that are far from conducive to seamers would seem a v big call & probably not fair on either.
It would also make picking Udal and Louden in a 17-man squad look a bit daft too!
It would also make picking Udal and Louden in a 17-man squad look a bit daft too!
tooextracool
International Coach
its an exaggeration, and an exaggeration generally puts a point down clearer than saying something like "hayden wouldnt score as many runs if he were playing in the 80s as he has during his career"honestbharani said:
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
Actually, I think it would be better if you were to state what you stated in that post in the first place.
aussie
Hall of Fame Member
Now that Jones is out it has obviously dented England's bowling for the ODI's and more importantly the test, in the ODI's i reckon Anderson should take the new ball with Harmison with either Freddie or Tremlett 1st change & in the test both spinners should play & the batting should be strengthened by including Collingwood. Thus Harmy & freddie will opening thr bowling & will have short burst while the spin twins do much bowling
My teams
ODI:
Trescothick
Strauss
Vaughan
Pietersen
Flintoff
Collingwood
Jones
Giles
Harmison
Tremlett
Anderson
Prior
test:
Trescothick
Strauss
Vaughan
Pietersen
Bell
Collingwood
Flintoff
Jones
Giles
Udal
Harmison.
My teams
ODI:
Trescothick
Strauss
Vaughan
Pietersen
Flintoff
Collingwood
Jones
Giles
Harmison
Tremlett
Anderson
Prior
test:
Trescothick
Strauss
Vaughan
Pietersen
Bell
Collingwood
Flintoff
Jones
Giles
Udal
Harmison.
tooextracool
International Coach
and i honestly dont think people would even take it seriously if i said it in that manner.honestbharani said:
Tom Halsey
International Coach
Did you not learn a thing from Australia's difficullties in England?aussie said:
tooextracool
International Coach
and did you not watch the first 3 tests of the ashes?Tom Halsey said:
i dont support the exclusion of hoggard from the side, at least not anymore since jones is out, but if we see the usual pakistan conditions, hoggard will struggle to bowl anyone out.