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[Molehill]

Yes, Ace Impact, obviously. Glad you feel better that you corrected me though.

It's absolutely made my day!!

 

[_Ed_]

Highest-rated Arc winner since Enable, apparently. Hard to fault his six-from-six record, and he won that race in great style.

It's obviously a decent crop of three-year-olds in France this year, with Blue Rose Cen and Kelina also picking up Group One wins against older horses on the same card.

 

[Molehill]

Highest-rated Arc winner since Enable, apparently. Hard to fault his six-from-six record, and he won that race in great style.

It's obviously a decent crop of three-year-olds in France this year, with Blue Rose Cen and Kelina also picking up Group One wins against older horses on the same card.

No doubting the quality of the Arc, I think it was a strong renewal. But if I'm being honest, some of the undercard have no right to call themselves Group 1's. Blue Rose Cen is a solid filly, but that was not a Group 1 quality field. I reckon O Brien would have at least 5 fillies of a higher rating than the 2nd there. The best 3 year old filly in Europe is Tahiyra and I doubt Blue Rose would get close to her.

Sounds like Ace Impact may either head to the Japan Cup or retirement. I find it bizarre that I was watching Frankel 11 years ago and now we already have a star grandson of his (and his sire Cracksman ran as a 4 year old too) probably heading to stud with a huge price tag.

 

[The_CricketUmpire]

Just Fine given a weight penalty of 0.5kg for win in the G1 The Metropolitan (2400m), takes his Melbourne Cup Weight to 53kg.

The Metropolitan/Melbourne Cup Double:
Macdougal (1959)
Straight Draw (1957)
Dalray (1952)
Delta (1951)
Tim Whiffler (1867)

Cup penalty for Just Fine

Melbourne Cup second favourite re-handicapped following Metropolitan win

www.racing.com

 

[The_CricketUmpire]

Future History wins the G3 The Bart Cummings and wins a ticket into the Melbourne Cup. Future History will be liable for a weight penalty for the Melbourne Cup at the discretion of the handicapper.

The Bart Cummings/Melbourne Cup Double

2016: Almandin

2000: Brew

1970: Baghdad Note

Melbourne Cup Winners to Run in the Bart Cummings Since 1970

1989: Tawriffic
3rd: The Bart Cummings
1st: Melbourne Cup

1985: What A Nuisance
2nd: The Bart Cummings
1st: Melbourne Cup

1972: Piping Lane
4th: The Bart Cummings
1st: Melbourne Cup

Other Information

2022: High Emocean
6th in the Bart Cummings
3rd in the Melbourne Cup

2014: Who Shot TheBarman
1st: The Bart Cummings
3rd: Melbourne Cup

1983: Mr Jazz
1st: The Bart Cummings
3rd: Melbourne Cup

Race Name Changes

2004 - 2022: The Bart Cummings
2001 - 2003: Banjo Paterson
1994 & 2000: Japan Trophy
1999: VRC Membership Quality
1966 - 1987 & 1989 - 1992 & 1995 - 1998: Navy Day Handicap
1993: Queen's Cup
1988: Seoul Olympics Handicap
1965: Lord Mayor's Plate

 

[_Ed_]

Jeez, that was an incredible performance by Gold Trip in the Turnbull.

Meanwhile, Legarto was very, very good at Matamata earlier today and looks like she's on target for the Golden Eagle.

 

[The_CricketUmpire]

Gold Trip wins the G1 Turnbull Stakes in breathtaking style. Absolutely flew home.

Turnbull Stakes/Caulfield Cup Double

2021: Incentivise
2020: Verry Elleegant
2004: Elvstroem
2002: Northerly
1999: Sky Heights
1991: Let's Elope
1975: Analight
1974: Leilani
1963: Sometime
1954: Rising Fast

Turnbull Stakes/Cox Plate Double

2018: Winx
2017: Winx
2005: Makybe Diva
2002: Northerly
1993: The Phantom Chance
1990: Better Loosen Up
1979: Dulcify
1966: Tobin Bronze
1964: Sir Dane
1962: Aquanita
1954: Rising Fast

Turnbull Stakes/Melbourne Cup Double

2012: Green Moon
2005: Makybe Diva
1991: Let's Elope
1954: Rising Fast
1950: Comic Court

Caulfield Cup Winners who ran in Turnbull Stakes - Since 1990

2021: Incentivise - 1st
2020: Verry Elleegant - 1st
2016: Jameka - 2nd
2013: Fawkner - 3rd
2011: Southern Speed - 4th
2010: Descarado - 14th
2009: Viewed - 7th
2004: Elvstroem - 1st
2002: Northerly - 1st
2000: Diatribe - 3rd
1999: Sky Heights - 1st
1995: Doriemus - 2nd
1991: Let's Elope - 1st

Cox Plate Winners who ran in Turnbull Stakes - Since 1990

2018: Winx - 1st
2017: Winx - 1st
2008: Maldivian - 6th
2007: El Segundo - 6th
2005: Makybe Diva - 1st
2002: Northerly - 1st
2000: Sunline - 2nd
1993: The Phantom Chance - 1st
1990: Better Loosen Up - 1st

Melbourne Cup Winners who ran in Turnbull Stakes - Since 1990

2022: Gold Trip - 5th
2021: Verry Elleegant - 4th
2019: Vow And Declare - 4th
2013: Fiorente - 4th
2012: Green Moon - 1st
2007: Efficient - 11th
2005: Makybe Diva - 1st
2004: Makybe Diva - 7th
2003: Makybe Diva - 4th
1995: Doreimus - 2nd
1991: Let's Elope - 1st

 

[The_CricketUmpire]

For those that weren't sure - as the Turnbull Stakes is a Set Weights Plus Penalties race, the winner (Gold Trip) can not be given a weight penalty for the Caulfield Cup or Melbourne Cup.

 

[The_CricketUmpire]

Past 40 Years - Trainers to Win Multiple Melbourne Cups

5 - Bart Cummings
5 - Lee Freedman
2 - Joseph O'Brien
2 - Dermot Weld

 

[The_CricketUmpire]

No penalty, will remain on 50kg for the Cup

Future History Melbourne Cup penalty decision

Racing Victoria (RV) Head of Handicapping, David Hegan, has announced that Future History will remain on the minimum weight of 50kg for the $8.4 million Lexus Melbourne Cup (3200m) on 7 November 2023.

www.racingvictoria.com.au

 

[The_CricketUmpire]

New rule in regards to Caulfield Cup winners carrying 56kg or more. New rule introduced either last year or year before (2021). Basically if a horse carrying 56kg or more wins the Caulfield Cup, then they won't recieve a weight penalty for the Melbourne Cup.

For your information.

Racing Victoria changes Melbourne Cup penalty rules for Caulfield Cup winner | Breednet

Racing Victoria has announced a significant change in the weight penalty process for the Melbourne Cup.

www.breednet.com.au

Cheers.

 

[The_CricketUmpire]

Sorry I'll say it again as I misread it.

If a Caulfield Cup winner has a Melbourne Cup Weight of 56kg or more than they won't recieve a weight penalty for the Melbourne Cup.

 

[_Ed_]

Disappointing, but hardly surprising to see that the Arc winner is off to stud. Would have liked to see him have more than six career starts and be tested overseas, but not to be.

Meanwhile, tomorrow is shaping up to be an incredible day in Sydney and Melbourne (with some decent races in NZ too to play a supporting role). Can't wait. Slightly miffed that Hastings is expecting a 24-degree day - a fair bit higher than the 8 when I was there for the middle day of the carnival.

 

[Molehill]

Disappointing, but hardly surprising to see that the Arc winner is off to stud. Would have liked to see him have more than six career starts and be tested overseas, but not to be.

Slightly odd given he never even ran as a 2 year old. That his trainer bought him for just 75k makes him quite the bargain. But as a descendent of Frankel and Galileo, he's worth a bomb at Stud. I guess another year of winning races probably adds little to his value, but sadly shows what the owners are in it for.

 

[The_CricketUmpire]

Military Mission wins the G2 Herbert Power Stakes (race 3) at Caulfield (2400m).

Herbert Power / Caulfield Cup
2007 Master O'Reilly
1970 Beer Street
1955 Rising Fast
1953 My Hero
1907 Poseidon
1906 Poseidon
1905 Marvel Loch

Herbert Power / MelbourneCup
1999 Rogan Josh
1978 Arwon
1976 Van Der Hum
1973 Gala Supreme
1944 Sirius
1942 Colonus
1906 Poseidon

Also, Land Legend trained by James Ferguson (based at Newmarket) won the St Leger and broke the track record at Randwick todat. Land Leger has a Timeform rating of 102...by world standards in Timeform's eyes thats an "average Listed winner"

Australian racing at 1600m+ is not strong in terms of depth. It's there for all to see but of course the great defenders of Australian racing will be out in force and in denial.

 

[The_CricketUmpire]

Underwood Stakes/Might And Power Stakes Double

2023: Alligator Blood
2012: Ocean Park
2010: So You Think
2001: Northerly
1989: Almaarad
1986: Bonecrusher
1985: Tristarc
1976: How Now
1971: Gay Icarus
1964: Contempler
1960: Lord
1953: Flying Halo
1938: Ajax
1934: Hall Mark
1927: Royal Charter

 

[The_CricketUmpire]

A weight penalty of 0.5kg for Military Mission for the Melbourne Cup - now has 51kg.

Military Mission receives Lexus Melbourne Cup penalty

Military Mission has been handed a 0.5kg penalty in the Lexus Melbourne Cup (3200m) following the progressive stayer’s victory in last Saturday’s Group 2 Neds Herbert Power Stakes (2400m) at Caulfield.

www.racingvictoria.com.au

 

[The_CricketUmpire]

Promising stayer out of Cup race

The second round of acceptances for the Melbourne Cup have been released

www.racing.com

 

[Molehill]

Worth having a look at City Of Troy's Dewhurst Stakes win - if O' Brien think he's the best 2 year old he's ever trained he's probably quite good. He could be an absolute monster if he gets the ground he ideally wants (and this wasn't it). Already just Evens for next year's Guineas, could be the best since Frankel. And it's outlining what a potential star at Stud Justify is turning out to be, especially when crossed with Galileo mares.

 

[flibbertyjibber]

Promising stayer out of Cup race

The second round of acceptances for the Melbourne Cup have been released

www.racing.com

Don't they breed horses in Australia? Everything French or Irish bred