Muralitharan a burglar,a thief and a dacoit : Bedi

[The_Bunny]

Cricinfo had a very good article on this, I read it yesterday.

 

[Sanz]

He also has a lot of envy with regard to Murali as he thinks he was (in his own mind) a better spinner than Murali. In fact he anointed Harbhajan as the next great thing not too long ago and despises Murali for obvious reasons.

Actually Bedi has been equally Harsh on Harbhajan and has called him a chucker a no. of times.

 

[PhoenixFire]

Harbhajan could have been the next big thing tbh.

 

[Richard]

Nah, Harbhajan's a fingerspinner. No fingerspinner can ever be a really big thing (yeah, yeah, Naughty it if you want - not directed at PF who's usually admirably considered with his Naughties), because there aren't enough spin-friendly wickets around the globe to enable such a thing.

 

[adharcric]

Haha Richard, that has to be at least 100 times you've made that point about fingerspinners.

 

[Chubby Rain]

I hope Murali successfully sues the pants off Bedi.

 

[Richard]

Haha Richard, that has to be at least 100 times you've made that point about fingerspinners.

Well if I keep needing to...

 

[PhoenixFire]

Nah, Harbhajan's a fingerspinner. No fingerspinner can ever be a really big thing (yeah, yeah, Naughty it if you want - not directed at PF who's usually admirably considered with his Naughties), because there aren't enough spin-friendly wickets around the globe to enable such a thing.

Hmm.

Maybe India would have produced more spin friendly wickets had Harbhajan bowled better and more consistently. They would have been unbeatable had they produced the sort of wickets when Australia toured in 00/01, and Harbhajan bolwed like he did in that series.

 

[Perm]

I hope Murali successfully charms the pants off Bedi.

 

[Chubby Rain]

I was misquoted!

To be fair though, it wasn't your fault, you poor thing. It's the fault of this spineless vbulletin software that has produced such a monster of a misquote.

 

[Richard]

Haha. Ritchie (Perm) just quoted your post and modified it. Just so as you know, it's standard CW practice if you can extract a Naughty from it.

 

[Richard]

Hmm.

Maybe India would have produced more spin friendly wickets had Harbhajan bowled better and more consistently. They would have been unbeatable had they produced the sort of wickets when Australia toured in 00/01, and Harbhajan bolwed like he did in that series.

Thing is, Harbhajan has become more inconsistent and ineffective because India have produced less spin-friendly wickets. IMO, at least - I can't see any other logical reason.

I don't know why India have been producing less spin-friendly pitches of late, because it makes no sense and forgoes potential home advantage.

 

[PhoenixFire]

Haha. Ritchie (Perm) just quoted your post and modified it. Just so as you know, it's standard CW practice if you can extract a Naughty from it.

DIdn't you get done by a good one from Chaulk not too long ago, involving risky being changed to frisky?

 

[open365]

Thing is, Harbhajan has become more inconsistent and ineffective because India have produced less spin-friendly wickets. IMO, at least - I can't see any other logical reason.

I don't know why India have been producing less spin-friendly pitches of late, because it makes no sense and forgoes potential home advantage.

Try this for a logcial reason - He's not bowling as well as he used to.

You can't keep ignoring the fact that finger spinners like every other type of cricketer are subject to dips in form and that their performance isn't soley determined by the pitch they play on.

 

[Scaly piscine]

Try this for a logcial reason - He's not bowling as well as he used to.

You can't keep ignoring the fact that finger spinners like every other type of cricketer are subject to dips in form and that their performance isn't soley determined by the pitch they play on.

Virtually all finger spinners of recent times have started relatively well and have gotten worse (statistically) as teams and players devise plans to nullify them. Normal finger spinners just aren't going to be big contributors in the modern era in Test cricket. They can do reasonably well in ODIs and Twenty20 but not Tests, once they come up against good sides they'll struggle badly because they've got no weapons to come back with. These days most finger spinners get a lot of their wickets from batsmen giving it away or having poor technique. There's an occasional turning wicket to get the finger spinners in the game and that's about it.

Panesar is just basically reduced to a help yourself bowler when he comes up against India's batsmen, he might occasionally nick a wicket but then so would anyone if they bowled enough.

 

[Legglancer]

Face it Scaly P#### ...... you are in LOVE with monty man !

 

[Richard]

Normal finger spinners just aren't going to be big contributors in the modern era in Test cricket. They can do reasonably well in ODIs

Umm, how exactly? Pretty much every standard fingerspinner (or non-massively-spinning wristspinner like Kumble) has done nothing of note in modern ODIs on non-turning pitches, it's too easy to milk or blast them. The only ones who've forged decent careers are those who have something a bit different - Dharmasena who bowled 10mph quicker than most; Saqlain and Harbhajan (for a time at least in both cases) who bowled Doosras; Vettori who is perhaps more intelligent than any other fingerspinner going around. Other than those, and perhaps to an extent Carl Hooper, virtually no fingerspinners have achieved consistently economical figures in modern (post-1990) ODIs.

 

[Pup Clarke]

Prosper Utseya?

 

[Richard]

Try this for a logcial reason - He's not bowling as well as he used to.

You can't keep ignoring the fact that finger spinners like every other type of cricketer are subject to dips in form and that their performance isn't soley determined by the pitch they play on.

When did I say they weren't? I've said, several times now: fingerspinners can't bowl well on non-turning pitches, but equally they won't always bowl well just because a pitch is a turner - yes, anyone can bowl poorly at any time.

Harbhajan is not, IMO, bowling any less well than he ever was, he just hasn't bowled on many turners in the last few years. On the rare occasions he has (Sabina Park 2006, for instance) he's still offered a potent threat most of the time.

 

[Richard]

Prosper Utseya?

Apart from the fact Zimbabwe aren't a ODI-class side, sadly, after a superb start, he's gone off the boil of late.

I really liked the look of him when he first appeared, and said so, but like in the cases of Graeme Smith and Ian Bradshaw, they did not live-up to my hopes.