More shuts door on Ganguly

[Sanz]

This shows Kumble to be the better bowler....discounting the current series ( it isnt settled yet),

Also, Please dont start your usual pick and chose game. If i wanted, I could have stopped at last 5 series(or added two more) and showed Bhajji as the better performer, but I wanted to have a fair comparison.

In last test Kumble Averaged 95, Bhajji averaged 86, so how come Bhajji becomes automic choice for omission to make way for Chawla ? Not to forget that Kumble bowled more overs than Bhajji.

 

[C_C]

Oh yeah the series in Australia, Bhajji played in only one test (which Kumble didn't play) and In Pakistan Kumble definately performed better with an average of 70. Really outstanding effort.

everything is relative...a 1930s motorbike that leaks oil is still better than being on foot.....

 

[Sanz]

everything is relative...a 1930s motorbike that leaks oil is still better than being on foot.....

Depends..If I had to chose between walking alone or walking with a 1930 motorbike, I would chose the former.

 

[C_C]

Depends..If I had to chose between walking alone or walking with a 1930 motorbike, I would chose the former.

Okay. Bottomline - lets say Chawla plays. One of Bhajji and Jumbo can play. Which one would you pick and why ?

 

[Sanz]

I dont know, I dont have enough information so I will trust Dravid and Chappel because:-

a. They have been watching both of them bowl much more than all of us

b. They will have the opportunity to have a look at pitch as well

c. None of us have watched Chawla enough to conclude that he is bowling better than Bhajji, Dravid/Chappell are in a better position to decide that.

 

[C_C]

I dont know, I dont have enough information so I will trust Dravid and Chappel because:-

a. They have been watching both of them bowl much more than all of us

b. They will have the opportunity to have a look at pitch as well

c. None of us have watched Chawla enough to conclude that he is bowling better than Bhajji, Dravid/Chappell are in a better position to decide that.

Fair enough mate.
I am not saying its easy-pie between Harbhajan and Kumble.... but if push came to shove over Chawla, i would favour Kumble, simply because he is a more consistent performer, performed marginally better in the past few years and Chawla being a leggie can learn a lot more from Kumble's presence than Bhajji's.

 

[adharcric]

I am saying that Harbhajan hasn't done much worse than Kumble to be considered an automatic omission.

Against Eng (home)- Bhajji - 86, Anil - 94.5
Against Pak (away)- Bhajji - Nowicket, Anil - 70
Against SL (home) - Bhajji - 22, Anil - 19
Against Pak(home) - Bhajji - 33, Anil - 38
Against SA (home) - Bhajji - 24, Anil - 34
Against Aus(home) - Bhajji - 24, Anil - 25
Against Aus(away) - Bhajji - 169,Anil - 30 (Bhajji Played only 1 test)
Against NZ(home) - Bhajji - 50, Anil - 37

Now tell me who has been the better bowler, I certainly cant pick one.

PS :- This is since 2003 world cup.

Let's look at the last three, since they have been under Dravid/Chappell in recent times, a good judge of form. Bhajji's 22 against Sri Lanka all came in that one 7-wicket haul. Against Pakistan, he did nothing. Against England, Kumble should've gotten 4 wickets more than he did (two bad umpiring, a sitter for Sreesanth and one more dropped catch I can't remember). Harbhajan also missed a few, one a easy return catch where his patka unfolded at a bad time (his own fault for dropping that one) and one that Dravid should've held on to. I'm not saying Harbhajan isn't good enough to be in the test team, but he's underperforming big time and Chawla can be a good surprise element, not to mention a fresh body in the field.

As you said, we can trust Dravid and Chappell with this decision.

 

[honestbharani]

well, there is also the question of variety... Bhajji is an offie while Kumble is a leggie. And also, Kumble has looked more likely to go for a lot of runs than Bhajji, at least in the last test. Srinath and Nasser Hussain kept saying that they hadn't seen Kumble stray down the leg so often in his whole career.

 

[Sanz]

Let's look at the last three, since they have been under Dravid/Chappell in recent times, a good judge of form. Bhajji's 22 against Sri Lanka all came in that one 7-wicket haul.

I think you should open your eyes, have good look at the score card of the test matches and then say something.

Against Pakistan, he did nothing. Against England, Kumble should've gotten 4 wickets more than he did (two bad umpiring, a sitter for Sreesanth and one more dropped catch I can't remember). Harbhajan also missed a few, one a easy return catch where his patka unfolded at a bad time (his own fault for dropping that one) and one that Dravid should've held on to. I'm not saying Harbhajan isn't good enough to be in the test team, but he's underperforming big time and Chawla can be a good surprise element, not to mention a fresh body in the field.

As you said, we can trust Dravid and Chappell with this decision.

Dude, Pick and chose isn't going to take anywhere, Dont tell me that averaging 70 against Pakistan is a top class average and works in Kumble's favor. It just says that Kumble was equally bad in Pakistan.

Also, all these shouldhave wouldhave couldhave dont make any sense to me, the fact is that he averaged more than Bhajji in last test. Let's not even talk about fielding, Kumble is easily inferior to him. If you want to make an argument inKumble's favor then you can say that he is valuable with the bat, other than that I dont see much difference in Kumble and Bhajji's bowling.

 

[ramu]

kiran more is an azzhole

Didn't he say the same thing when the team for the first test was picked ? I think media should let go of this issue and stop asking questions about Ganguly. Every day we hear the same story..It is boring now.

how many games kiran more played for india ?

 

[luckyeddie]

how many games kiran more played for india ?

143

 

[Jono]

I really cannot see Kumble being dropped, just really can't at all.

 

[Sanz]

Never said never again on Ganguly: Kiran More

MOHALI, MAR 7 (PTI)
Chairman of Selectors Kiran More today said he had decided to refrain from speaking to the media, at least for the time being, and claimed to have been grossly misquoted on the contentious Sourav Ganguly issue.

"I have started fearing (media) -- I don't know what all you will write," he said when asked to comment on the statement attributed to him in a section of the media that Ganguly would not be picked to play Tests for India ever again.

"I don't know from where this one (statement) came up," he said.

More, who actively participated in the nets of the Indian team at the PCA ground here this afternoon, refused to divulge any information regarding the composition of the team for the second Test beginning here on Thursday.

"All I can say is that the mood in the camp is very positive. The body language of the players during practice was very good." The former India stumper also had a long chat with chief curator Daljit Singh after assessing the pitch closely himself.

http://www.outlookindia.com/pti_news.asp?id=368667

 

[greatindia]

If Jagmohan wins the election in the next year then Dada might make a comeback.

But then Ganguly must perform, in the last domestic match he made a painstaking 17 of 40+ balls .

 

[SJS]

If Jagmohan wins the election in the next year then Dada might make a comeback.

But then Ganguly must perform, in the last domestic match he made a painstaking 17 of 40+ balls .

In the game before this one he scored 81 runs but com=nsumed three balls short of half the 50 overs (he played 147 deliveries) while the others scored more than one and a half times as many runs at the other end. They lost that match too.

The problem with rooting for Ganguly today is that he IS in the worst slump of his career. His supporters would do him a favour by backing off till he starts getting back into grove. Otherwise it is only going to be about giving him a fitting farewell.

If they want Ganguly to be given a farewell match or series even when he is in such bad form, it will finish his career anyway after that. If they want him to play on since he is 32 and should have 2-3 years of cricket left in him, they must allow him to get back in form.

Today we may talk of Ganguly versus Greg and get emotional but on batting merits alone Ganguly cant get back and thats all we should restrict the Ganguly debate to. I repeat that will be good for Ganguly and nothing else.

 

[Pratters]

Kiran more Back tracking and doing an IS Bindra. Not surprised.

 

[SJS]

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