Jacques Kallis vs Imran Khan

[Prince EWS]

Chadisma.

nobody will get this

 

[kyear2]

Kallis imo.

I think that by traditional metrics that Imran is probably greater, and for me that's more based on the fact that Imran is probably rates higher as bowler than Kallis the bat.

But I think that Kallis is way more valuable to a team as a package. Yes I wish that he was more assertive though out his career with the bat, and he did have his struggles in certain conditions, but he was as close to the perfect cricketer as it gets.

He batted primarily at 4 and almost exclusively at 3 or 4, he fielded at 2nd and could easily come on 1st change.

 

[Sliferxxxx]

RPI is affected by not outs. He had a lot of not outs.

He had charisma. He ran your boys at their absolute best to draws and you needed cheating to get out of the hole. That is what Imran had. You guys are absolutely bitter about how Imran gave your best sides in the history a run for the money, despite not having the best side that played for his country.

And he became the PM. That is charisma plus if you want to consider.

Get off of it. Between 1980 and 1990 WI played 4 test series 3 in Pakistan and ONE in the Caribbean. For the cerebrally challenged, Pakistan played the WI majority at home. They have themselves to blame for not notching up a series win. Yes there was questionable umpiring in the WI in 1988 but pot, let's not call the kettle black....

 

[Sliferxxxx]

Yes, his numbers were boosted by no's.

Anytime anyone says cheating when referring to Pakistan as a defence is when one stops staking them seriously.

No one is bitter about anyone.

Lillee and Thompson embarrassed us in the 70's, Punter destroyed us, so did McGrath. Wasim used to give us fits. When people start using those arguments it's more of a projection of their perspectives and just telling on themselves.

We appreciate an enjoy competition, I've argued for Hutton and Barry Richards just as much if not more than any West Indian, so keep your xenophobic opinions to yourself please and thanks.

Pity we didn't get the chance to return the favor to Lillee and Thompson in the Caribbean.

 

[subshakerz]

Get off of it. Between 1980 and 1990 WI played 4 test series 3 in Pakistan and ONE in the Caribbean. For the cerebrally challenged, Pakistan played the WI majority at home. They have themselves to blame for not notching up a series win. Yes there was questionable umpiring in the WI in 1988 but pot, let's not call the kettle black....

There were neutral umpires in Pakistan in 86 and 90 though.

 

[subshakerz]

I think that by traditional metrics that Imran is probably greater, and for me that's more based on the fact that Imran is probably rates higher as bowler than Kallis the bat.

But I think that Kallis is way more valuable to a team as a package. Yes I wish that he was more assertive though out his career with the bat, and he did have his struggles in certain conditions, but he was as close to the perfect cricketer as it gets.

He batted primarily at 4 and almost exclusively at 3 or 4, he fielded at 2nd and could easily come on 1st change.

Speaking from both sides of your mouth as usual. 'Yeah Imran may technically be better but really Kallis is better...'

 

[smash84]

I think that by traditional metrics that Imran is probably greater, and for me that's more based on the fact that Imran is probably rates higher as bowler than Kallis the bat.

But I think that Kallis is way more valuable to a team as a package. Yes I wish that he was more assertive though out his career with the bat, and he did have his struggles in certain conditions, but he was as close to the perfect cricketer as it gets.

He batted primarily at 4 and almost exclusively at 3 or 4, he fielded at 2nd and could easily come on 1st change.

With so much analysis why haven't you voted in the poll?

 

[Migara]

Get off of it. Between 1980 and 1990 WI played 4 test series 3 in Pakistan and ONE in the Caribbean. For the cerebrally challenged, Pakistan played the WI majority at home. They have themselves to blame for not notching up a series win. Yes there was questionable umpiring in the WI in 1988 but pot, let's not call the kettle black....

That cheating will keep on haunting you. It is like cheating in a WC final.

 

[Johan]

That cheating will keep on haunting you. It is like cheating in a WC final.

Are you ****ing kidding me?

Pakistan got what they deserved for cheating for ages upto that point, couldn't have happened to a more deserving team of that. You don't get to be cheats and then get treated fairly everywhere else. What goes around, comes around.

 

[sayon basak]

Are you ****ing kidding me?

Pakistan got what they deserved for cheating for ages upto that point, couldn't have happened to a more deserving team of that. You don't get to be cheats and then get treated fairly everywhere else. What goes around, comes around.

Why do you even bother man?

 

[Johan]

Why do you even bother man?

......good question.

 

[Sliferxxxx]

That cheating will keep on haunting you. It is like cheating in a WC final.

No no it doesn't, we in the WI sleep quite well at night. After all, Pakistan again, had more than enough opportunities to win in their own back yard but didn't. Lemme hear the excuses now....

 

[Sliferxxxx]

There were neutral umpires in Pakistan in 86 and 90 though.

Granted but there weren't in 1980 and the neutral umpires in '86 came in the 2nd and 3rd test. Pakistanis offficated the first test which Pakistan won. The tests with neutral umpires WI won and drew (brink of winning). Nor were there neutral umpires in tests vs other sides ex against India in '83. And there were some questionable shenanigans according to past players.

 

[Xix2565]

Why would you even be trying to compare Imran to Kallis as bowlers. Don't get the logic behind that.

One was leagues ahead as a bowler, the other as bat. And despite what Imran's average briefly was during certain windows, he never approached that level as a batsman.

It's to point out how much more valuable Imran's bowling is in general, and that this idea of Kallis's workload being cut down was some sort of point in his favour is just bunk. And Imran as a bowler is easily levels above Kallis as a batter. If they were just limited to primary skills, Imran's the better player 10/10 times and pretending otherwise is to be an idiot.

 

[subshakerz]

Granted but there weren't in 1980 and the neutral umpires in '86 came in the 2nd and 3rd test. Pakistanis offficated the first test which Pakistan won. The tests with neutral umpires WI won and drew (brink of winning). Nor were there neutral umpires in tests vs other sides ex against India in '83. And there were some questionable shenanigans according to past players.

Ok but even with Pak umpires, WI won in 1980 and Pakistan won the 1st test in 86 fairly decisively. And there was no way India were beating Pakistan in 83 even without tampering. And anyways there were neutral umpires I believe vs India in 89.

I think it's fair to complain about Pakistani umpires but it's also fair to say that without umpires role Pakistan would have beaten WI in WI in 1988.

 

[subshakerz]

It's to point out how much more valuable Imran's bowling is in general, and that this idea of Kallis's workload being cut down was some sort of point in his favour is just bunk. And Imran as a bowler is easily levels above Kallis as a batter. If they were just limited to primary skills, Imran's the better player 10/10 times and pretending otherwise is to be an idiot.

If we take his argument to it's logical end, Kallis should be rated ahead did Hadlee too easily based on career output. Will he do that?

 

[Xix2565]

If you're going to pick a batting AR who could be better than Imran, go to Sobers, not Kallis. Sobers actually was a bowler rather than a part-timer like Kallis.

 

[subshakerz]

Are you ****ing kidding me?

Pakistan got what they deserved for cheating for ages upto that point, couldn't have happened to a more deserving team of that. You don't get to be cheats and then get treated fairly everywhere else. What goes around, comes around.

Cheating is wrong regardless, you can't say it is fine in WI because it happened in Pakistan. But the WI case is quite apparent in that it clearly changed the series result.

And again, this happened after Imran Khan had introduced neutral umpires at home against WI in the previous series.

 

[Johan]

Cheating is wrong regardless, you can't say it is fine in WI because it happened in Pakistan. But the WI case is quite apparent in that it clearly changed the series result.

And again, this happened after Imran Khan had introduced neutral umpires at home against WI in the previous series.

It's wrong, but if some dickheads are wronging another set of dickheads who had been doing the sams thing for years, I'm not gonna feel bad for either or single one out.

 

[subshakerz]

It's wrong, but if some dickheads are wronging another set of dickheads who had been doing the sams thing for years, I'm not gonna feel bad for either or single one out.

Yeah but you are wronging a team that introduced neutral umpires at home the previous series so the result would not be in doubt.