aussie
Hall of Fame Member
Indeed, your intimidating posting style is so gangsta..
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Is Ricky Ponting a better batsman than Brian Lara?
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Lillian Thomson
Hall of Fame Member
It's something to do before settling down in my rocking chair with my Ovaltine.
Shri
Mr. Glass
Your hip-hop words don't fool anyone either dawg.
Pratters
Cricket, Lovely Cricket
Don't disagree with any thing you said but are you saying Lara didn't win matches for his team because that's ridiculous.
ret
International Debutant
Lara is leading 35 to 14
To me both of them are exceptional players but if I had to pick one it would be Lara .... I have usually looked at Ponting as someone who competes with Dravid and Kallis (and they all bat at #3, at least for most parts of their career) rather than someone like Lara and Tendulkar. But ofc all of them are great players
It would be interesting if someone did Dravid vs Ponting in tests
Btw, add one more vote to Lara, so its 36 for him now
To me both of them are exceptional players but if I had to pick one it would be Lara .... I have usually looked at Ponting as someone who competes with Dravid and Kallis (and they all bat at #3, at least for most parts of their career) rather than someone like Lara and Tendulkar. But ofc all of them are great players
It would be interesting if someone did Dravid vs Ponting in tests
Btw, add one more vote to Lara, so its 36 for him now
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ret
International Debutant
I don't see a poll in there, I would not go by 5 people typing in 500 posts about how good a player is .... I would assume, it would be close to call
Lillian Thomson
Hall of Fame Member
ret
International Debutant
too lazy to write the preview post as I like to do it with pros and cons for both sides (including stats) .... I am on the fence on this one as I said it's a little too close to call (at least for me)
Black_Warrior
Cricketer Of The Year
yep the few times when he actually made it to the test team for the most part in the 90s!
Black_Warrior
Cricketer Of The Year
The mark of an educated mind is to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. Unfortunately you have failed that test by resorting to these cheap personal attacks and this is where the discussion ends. A debate/discussion is not meant to change people's opinions, people are meant to exchange views, respect each other and be enlightened in the process. I have enjoyed the discussions in this topic, been englightened aswell, for example I have realized that Lara has never actually been at his very best against Donald and Akram, not that it diminishes his value in my eyes at all..but thats something I have gained out of this. I am not sure whether you have gained anything because your attitude is "anyone who disagrees with me must be delusional". Here's a word of advice, if you have that attitude, then maybe a public forum is not the place for you because a forum thrives on appreciation and acceptance of diverse views.
Black_Warrior
Cricketer Of The Year
I was responding to a particular figure presented, which was an average of 119 in Pakistan as compared to 40 something of Lara's in Pakistan. I was putting that in perspective for those who might be misled by incomplete information.
Yes Ponting played really well in the 02 series in Sri Lanka/Sharjah an attack comprising of Waqar, Shoaib, Sami, Saqlain whereas Lara was as good if not better (while some might argue better) in 06, against an attack comprising of Umar Gul, Shahid Nazir, Danish Kaneria and Razzaq. Considering how well Gul bowled in that series, and the fading Waqar of 02, and semi fit but express Shoaib ( he lasted 1 and half match), I dont think there was much between the two attacks.
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Ikki
Hall of Fame Member
Ponting debuted in the mid 90s, and played 33 tests overall.
He played about as much against those top sides as Lara and Tendulkar did. You should actually take a look at his record first before critiquing it.
You weren't responding to the point then. Lara averages only 50+ against Sri Lanka when it comes to away from home. He only averages 50+ in two countries altogether (with his home included). Ponting simply didn't have a problem with Pakistan at home, away or even on neutral ground. His average may have not been 100+ but it would have been ridiculously high anyway.
Black_Warrior
Cricketer Of The Year
^ but they're all delusional so it doesnt count
I did, thats why I know he wasnt a regular, nor an automatic selection. He was competing with Stuart Law, Justin Langer (who was batting at 3) and Michael Bevan (coz he could bowl too). It was only when Slater was dropped and Langer was sent up, that Ponting made the number 3 his own.
Yes both Ponting and Lara's overall record against Pakistan and Sri Lanka are fantastic, thats why they are such great players...your point being?
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Ikki
Hall of Fame Member
Considering the majority voted "anyday" without a rational reason or a proper argument made I'd say Ponting is the real winner.
Ponting played primarily at #6 in the 90s, even though he was shifted around -averaged 50 too at 6 from memory. Ponting had a bit of a bad run and disciplinary issues to boot. However, as aforesaid his problems were against the weaker sides, not the stronger ones.
That wasn't the point. You were exemplifying why we can't trust the stats because of Ponting's record against Pakistan, when you are ignoring the point of averaging 50+ in a country. Ponting's record against Pakistan is better than Lara's. That point still holds.
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Black_Warrior
Cricketer Of The Year
Did you actually read my post? I have very clearly acknowledged that Ponting has a fantastic record against Pakistan.. I was only clarifying that an average of 119 which was being compared to Lara's 48 looks out of this world on paper but it was based on just 1 match in Pakistan.
Anyway, Lara's overall average against Pakistan is 67, Ponting's is 62. I am not going to argue that a difference of 4 places Lara way ahead of Ponting, I am just going to repeat my previous point since you missed it earlier, both Lara and Ponting have a fantastic record against Pakistan.
Anyway, Lara's overall average against Pakistan is 67, Ponting's is 62. I am not going to argue that a difference of 4 places Lara way ahead of Ponting, I am just going to repeat my previous point since you missed it earlier, both Lara and Ponting have a fantastic record against Pakistan.
bagapath
International Captain
since this is not a "proper argument" and not a "rational reason" lara is the winner!
come on ikki. it doesnt matter what the logic behind each vote is. no one will know that for sure anyway. but you have to trust the poll and accept that the majority considers lara superior. it may not be okay with you but you cant speak like an indian politician and claim victory after getting trounced in the polls. lara is the clear winner here.
Black_Warrior
Cricketer Of The Year
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