Is MS Dhoni an ATG OdI batsmen?

[ImpatientLime]

Asia XI v Rest of the World XI at Dhaka, Apr 8, 2000 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo

lol everytime at people referencing this

 

[cnerd123]

lol everytime at people referencing this

It's a double whammy because Jayasuriya and Jadeja scored at a SR of 75 in the game.

Suck it Shri

 

[viriya]

Dhoni vs Gilchrist in an AT ODI XI is about the other players. Generally speaking you go Dhoni+Jayasuria or Gilchrist+Bevan. The rest of the order is:

Tendulkar
Jayasuria/Gilchrist
Ponting
Viv
Middle order bat of choice
Dhoni/Bevan
All rounder of choice
Warne
Akram
McGrath
Garner

Given the fast bowling Warne fits better than Murali and the three quicks pick themselves. 5 and 7 are flex spots that can go to anyone.

Not sure what the logic is for picking Warne over Murali.

 

[viriya]

You're better batting Bevan at 6 than Dhoni. Bevan was a better batsman and a better finisher than Dhoni. The only reason you'd consider Dhoni is if he's keeping.

It's like picking Gilchrist or Jayasuria as opener - there are other batsmen who are the same or slightly ahead but Jaya gives you a great bowling option and Gilchrist gives you an excellent keeper (who was better behind the pegs than Dhoni).

No reason to think Bevan was a better batsman than Dhoni in ODIs.

 

[stephen]

Not sure what the logic is for picking Warne over Murali.

With Murali, McGrath and Garner you have 3 genuine 11s. Warne over Murali gives you two decent tail enders with the bat.

 

[stephen]

No reason to think Bevan was a better batsman than Dhoni in ODIs.

Except their accomplishments of course.

Dhoni did what he did in a time where there were several batsmen doing what he was doing. He only did it in asia and even though he was quite good at doing what he did he wasn't unique in doing so.

Bevan was a freak. In a time where 70 was a good strike rate and 30 a good average he came along and blew everyone away. People hold his strike rate against him without realising that he batted at 80 in the first innings (which is a perfectly acceptable strike rate for a #4 batsman even today) and averaged 60. He won the game for Australia on so many occasions that it was easy to lose count. When he was not out, we won. He succeeded everywhere and against some of the finest bowlers the game has ever seen - Ambrose, Walsh, Bishop, Donald, Pollock, Akram, Waqar and a bunch of others.

He was a giant in the 90s and he did what he did when nobody else was doing it, better than anyone had done it before and better than anyone has done it since.

 

[cnerd123]

What other batsmen were doing what MSD was doing while he was doing it?

 

[akilana]

With Murali, McGrath and Garner you have 3 genuine 11s. Warne over Murali gives you two decent tail enders with the bat.

So it makes sense to replace Mcgrath with Pollock. You get a few more runs.

 

[akilana]

No reason to think Bevan was a better batsman than Dhoni in ODIs.

seriously, no reason?

 

[viriya]

Brett Lee was a very good ODI bowler... but you can't be serious.

Brett Lee has a legitimate claim for GOAT ODI fast bowler.

 

[viriya]

SO we can have our XI as

Tendulkar
Gilchrist
Ponting
Viv
AB
Bevan
Klusenar
Wasim
Warne
Mcgrath
Garner

Tendulkar or Bevan can bowl few overs of needed.

Murali >> Warne especially in ODIs it's not close.

 

[viriya]

With Murali, McGrath and Garner you have 3 genuine 11s. Warne over Murali gives you two decent tail enders with the bat.

Warne averages 13 @ 72 with the bat in ODIs. This is a weak argument to pick him in an atg ODI xi.

 

[viriya]

Except their accomplishments of course.

Dhoni did what he did in a time where there were several batsmen doing what he was doing. He only did it in asia and even though he was quite good at doing what he did he wasn't unique in doing so.

Bevan was a freak. In a time where 70 was a good strike rate and 30 a good average he came along and blew everyone away. People hold his strike rate against him without realising that he batted at 80 in the first innings (which is a perfectly acceptable strike rate for a #4 batsman even today) and averaged 60. He won the game for Australia on so many occasions that it was easy to lose count. When he was not out, we won. He succeeded everywhere and against some of the finest bowlers the game has ever seen - Ambrose, Walsh, Bishop, Donald, Pollock, Akram, Waqar and a bunch of others.

He was a giant in the 90s and he did what he did when nobody else was doing it, better than anyone had done it before and better than anyone has done it since.

? No one could do what Dhoni did you must be trolling.

 

[Shri]

Dhoni did what he did in a time where there were several batsmen doing what he was doing.

Wrong.

He only did it in asia and even though he was quite good at doing what he did he wasn't unique in doing so.

Only in Asia? No. Several? No. So, wrong again.

Bevan was a freak. In a time where 70 was a good strike rate and 30 a good average he came along and blew everyone away.

Again, bullshit. Here are some ODI stats from the day he debuted to the day he retired:

Batting records | One-Day Internationals | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPN Cricinfo

Qualifications used were simple. Batting average of at least 35 after playing 50 matches. 25 players scored faster than him in the era. In fact, Klusener average 42 and struck at 90, which makes him just as good as Bevan imo. These are nothing but memories deceiving us after a few years have passed.

People hold his strike rate against him without realising that he batted at 80 in the first innings (which is a perfectly acceptable strike rate for a #4 batsman even today)

Yeah, if your name is Joe Root. Game has moved on.

He won the game for Australia on so many occasions that it was easy to lose count. When he was not out, we won. He succeeded everywhere and against some of the finest bowlers the game has ever seen - Ambrose, Walsh, Bishop, Donald, Pollock, Akram, Waqar and a bunch of others.

And Dhoni didn't? He won a WC final where the best ever ODI spinner was defending a decent target.

He was a giant in the 90s and he did what he did when nobody else was doing it, better than anyone had done it before and better than anyone has done it since.

Nah, Klusener was as good a finisher as he was. He made up for the difference between their averages with his superior strike rate.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Klusener was not as good a batsman as Bevan, come on, Shri.

 

[OverratedSanity]

He choked away the WC ffs. Bevan and Dhoni in that situation both would've got SA over the line.

 

[Shri]

Klusener was not as good a batsman as Bevan, come on, Shri.

No, don't you know? Dhoni wasn't the only one who just did what a lot of others did too.

 

[Shri]

He choked away the WC ffs. Bevan and Dhoni in that situation both would've got SA over the line.

That was Donald and no, Bevan choked in the 96 WC final, which makes him an overrated hack just like Abdv.

 

[viriya]

Klusener was not as good a batsman as Bevan, come on, Shri.

Yes klusener had the potential to be but he just didn't last long enough.

 

[OverratedSanity]

That was Donald and no, Bevan choked in the 96 WC final, which makes him an overrated hack just like Abdv.

Nah. Klusener panicked and ran like a madman even though there were 2 more balls left. No way would Dhoni or Bevan have **** the bed like that.