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IPL Indian XI

Which IPL team would you have playing for India?

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  • Total voters
    13

weldone

Hall of Fame Member
to be honest, we had the exact argument a couple of years ago in CW and I was then on the other side advocating that Sehwag should be in the side because others weren't good enough. But now things have changed, esp. with Gambhir coming in and showing the sort of form he has done... And the emergence of Raina, Nayyar, Uthappa, Badrinath etc. means that he has pretty stiff competition now and I would rather try out those guys first.
Well, I would see it in this fashion...We have 5 sooo good players (with Pathan and Chawla) that playing out 50 overs will not be much of a problem most of the times...Now, we need a big hitter for another spot...Sehwag is miles ahead of others in this regard...Simply based on the role that needs to be played, he should get the nod ahead of others....
 

duffer

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Kaif, we have seen, has an inability to hit out when it matters. And he doesn't convert starts either batting at 3. That is why he was dropped. I don't see how he has gotten any better since then. As a test match prospect, sure I will put him ahead of Badri but even that would be contentious but ODIs, you have to be joking...


Tiwary.. you have to be joking, again. He looks hopeless against real pace and is no Uthappa either when it comes to shot making. His defence does look like Uthappa's though.. in that it is hardly worth mentioning anywhere...


Raina again has shown an inability to convert starts and that is what cost him his place. Same as Kaif, perhaps a little more ability in this form of the game than Kaif.



Manhas... what next? Some other north or Mumbai player we haven't heard of... Have you even checked Badri's A team stats as a batsman?


Hate on TN players all you want.. but at least try to talk some sense. Suggesting Manhas > Badri is juz ludicurous.
Nail on head hb.
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
Well, I would see it in this fashion...We have 5 sooo good players (with Pathan and Chawla) that playing out 50 overs will not be much of a problem most of the times...Now, we need a big hitter for another spot...Sehwag is miles ahead of others in this regard...Simply based on the role that needs to be played, he should get the nod ahead of others....
I guess it is just perception and perhaps we are talking about different strategies for the team. For me, with Pathan, Praveen Kumar, Chawla/Harbhajan in there, we can afford to play a specialist bat at 6 who can score big and also consolidate if we do have a wobble at the top. And I would be more than happy to try out either Raina or Nayyar or Badrinath in that slot whilst keeping the top 5 in their slots. Maybe in a crisis, put one of these 3 in at 5 ahead of Dhoni but that is about it. With Pathan,Kumar and Harbhajan/Chawla giving us the hitting power for the last few overs down the order, I think this is quite feasible for us to try out. But I can see where you are coming from and I won't mind if he was picked and given that EXACT role. What I don't want is him coming in and score 30 off 45 and then getting himself out. That would be the worst.
 

weldone

Hall of Fame Member
But I can see where you are coming from and I won't mind if he was picked and given that EXACT role. What I don't want is him coming in and score 30 off 45 and then getting himself out. That would be the worst.
True...He should be given that role for a good 5 or so matches and if he fails then your strategy is perfectly OK with me...Though probably I would like a proper bowler over Praveen Kumar...
 

masterblaster

International Captain
Kaif, we have seen, has an inability to hit out when it matters. And he doesn't convert starts either batting at 3. That is why he was dropped. I don't see how he has gotten any better since then. As a test match prospect, sure I will put him ahead of Badri but even that would be contentious but ODIs, you have to be joking...


Tiwary.. you have to be joking, again. He looks hopeless against real pace and is no Uthappa either when it comes to shot making. His defence does look like Uthappa's though.. in that it is hardly worth mentioning anywhere...


Raina again has shown an inability to convert starts and that is what cost him his place. Same as Kaif, perhaps a little more ability in this form of the game than Kaif.



Manhas... what next? Some other north or Mumbai player we haven't heard of... Have you even checked Badri's A team stats as a batsman?


Hate on TN players all you want.. but at least try to talk some sense. Suggesting Manhas > Badri is juz ludicurous.
Agreed completely HB. Badrinath really should be the next guy into the Indian ODI squad. I don't know what Arjun is thinking when he says there is a whole 'queue' of Indian batsmen ahead of him.

Plus Badri's a great fielder too and seems like a pretty good thinker out there on the field.
 

masterblaster

International Captain
As for the topic, got to be Kings XI Punjab for me. Marsh, Sangakkara, Jayawardene, Yuvraj, Brett Lee and Piyush Chawla makes for a pretty awesome team.
 

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
To begin with, I don't 'hate' TN players, but I'd favour players any team that's won a few tournaments- or at least has a shout.
Kaif, we have seen, has an inability to hit out when it matters. And he doesn't convert starts either batting at 3. That is why he was dropped. I don't see how he has gotten any better since then. As a test match prospect, sure I will put him ahead of Badri but even that would be contentious but ODIs, you have to be joking...
We haven't seen enough of Badri, so how do we know he's any better than Kaif? Anyway, he hardly ever hit out when he got to bat, except in two matches.
Tiwary.. you have to be joking, again. He looks hopeless against real pace and is no Uthappa either when it comes to shot making. His defence does look like Uthappa's though.. in that it is hardly worth mentioning anywhere...
Name ONE Indian batsman who can handle real pace. We've even seen The Big Four struggle against real pace. And how many bowlers from other teams have that real pace? Only one will last long enough to be a force to reckon with- the others are injury-prone or likely to lose their places in their teams.
Raina again has shown an inability to convert starts and that is what cost him his place. Same as Kaif, perhaps a little more ability in this form of the game than Kaif.
There's nothing to suggest that Badrinath won't convert every start he gets, either.
Manhas... what next? Some other north or Mumbai player we haven't heard of... Have you even checked Badri's A team stats as a batsman?
Manhas averages over 50 in List-A, which is something few Indian prospects have achieved. While Badrinath has an average over 280 in FC, that Big Four bastion is still tough to break, and his List-A average is a paltry 37, in this age of flat pitches.

It's not something about who plays for North or South, but someone who can make an impact. Maybe Badri has a shout, but Parthiv Patel? Abhinav Mukund? Amarnath? Manpreet Gony? Joginder Sharma? No way, even if they don't play for TN!
 

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
As for the topic, got to be Kings XI Punjab for me. Marsh, Sangakkara, Jayawardene, Yuvraj, Brett Lee and Piyush Chawla makes for a pretty awesome team.
They can't play for India. We'd obviously have to make a few changes.
  • Dhoni for Sangakkara
  • Sehwag for Sarwan
  • Gambhir for Marsh
  • Zaheer for Lee
  • Yusuf Pathan for Hopes
  • Rohit Sharma for Luke/Mahela
  • Praveen Kumar for Mills
  • One batsman for the other of Luke/Mahela.
Now that would look good, with available options.
 
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Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
Agreed completely HB. Badrinath really should be the next guy into the Indian ODI squad. I don't know what Arjun is thinking when he says there is a whole 'queue' of Indian batsmen ahead of him.

Plus Badri's a great fielder too and seems like a pretty good thinker out there on the field.
This is (more or less) the Indian ODI top six
  • Sehwag
  • Gambhir
  • Tendulkar
  • Yuvraj
  • Rohit
  • Dhoni
  • Raina (reserve)
  • Dravid (still with a chance)
Then the Indian Test top six
  • Sehwag
  • Gambhir
  • Dravid
  • Tendulkar
  • Ganguly
  • Laxman
  • Yuvraj (reserve)
  • Dhoni (reserve- bats at seven in the frontline)
Tough breaking into either of these. While he does have a shout, the team management's decision to persist with the existing top six in Tests and even play Dinesh Karthik ahead of Badrinath gives you a hint.
 

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
Rajasthan Royals
Replacing the internationals with top Indian players
  • Gambhir for Smith
  • Dhoni for Akmal
  • Irfan for Sohail Tanvir
  • Chawla for Warne
  • Sreesanth for Morne Morkel (unused)
  • Sehwag for Younis Khan
  • Zaheer (or Tendulkar) for Watson
  • Yuvraj for Langer
Now there's no four-of-eleven limit, so it's a lot stronger here. A reserve bench of Niraj, Jadeja, Kaif, Sid and Munaf isn't the most reassuring, though.
 

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
Another team I like the look of- Delhi Daredevils. If you switched
  • Yuvraj for Shoaib Malik
  • Dhoni for AB
  • Rohit Sharma for Dilshan
  • Zaheer for McGrath
  • Irfan for Maharoof
  • Ishant for Asif
  • Chawla or Yusuf Pathan for Vettori
  • RP Singh for Geeves
They won't need much tinkering after this.
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
To begin with, I don't 'hate' TN players, but I'd favour players any team that's won a few tournaments- or at least has a shout.We haven't seen enough of Badri, so how do we know he's any better than Kaif? Anyway, he hardly ever hit out when he got to bat, except in two matches.Name ONE Indian batsman who can handle real pace. We've even seen The Big Four struggle against real pace. And how many bowlers from other teams have that real pace? Only one will last long enough to be a force to reckon with- the others are injury-prone or likely to lose their places in their teams.There's nothing to suggest that Badrinath won't convert every start he gets, either.Manhas averages over 50 in List-A, which is something few Indian prospects have achieved. While Badrinath has an average over 280 in FC, that Big Four bastion is still tough to break, and his List-A average is a paltry 37, in this age of flat pitches.

It's not something about who plays for North or South, but someone who can make an impact. Maybe Badri has a shout, but Parthiv Patel? Abhinav Mukund? Amarnath? Manpreet Gony? Joginder Sharma? No way, even if they don't play for TN!
Your every point is based "How do we know Badri will do better?"


And the answer is very very very simple indeed.



Juz give the guy a chance in the side. We will figure out if he can do better than those people you listed or not...
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
To begin with, I don't 'hate' TN players, but I'd favour players any team that's won a few tournaments- or at least has a shout.We haven't seen enough of Badri, so how do we know he's any better than Kaif? Anyway, he hardly ever hit out when he got to bat, except in two matches.Name ONE Indian batsman who can handle real pace. We've even seen The Big Four struggle against real pace. And how many bowlers from other teams have that real pace? Only one will last long enough to be a force to reckon with- the others are injury-prone or likely to lose their places in their teams.There's nothing to suggest that Badrinath won't convert every start he gets, either.Manhas averages over 50 in List-A, which is something few Indian prospects have achieved. While Badrinath has an average over 280 in FC, that Big Four bastion is still tough to break, and his List-A average is a paltry 37, in this age of flat pitches.

It's not something about who plays for North or South, but someone who can make an impact. Maybe Badri has a shout, but Parthiv Patel? Abhinav Mukund? Amarnath? Manpreet Gony? Joginder Sharma? No way, even if they don't play for TN!
I asked specifically about Badrinath. YOu made it seem as though India is bristling with batsmen better than him.. Unfortunately, it is not so. Manhas may average 50 in List A cricket but he hasn't even been able to crack the A side so far. Maybe the selectors know what they are doing and he is just cashing in on tracks such as the one where Jaffar scored 150+ with a strike rate of 150 or so.


And yes Badri is a good OD batsman as has been proven by his success in the A sides in overseas conditions and by the fact that people who have watched him rate him as one of the best batsmen in India.
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
This is (more or less) the Indian ODI top six
  • Sehwag
  • Gambhir
  • Tendulkar
  • Yuvraj
  • Rohit
  • Dhoni
  • Raina (reserve)
  • Dravid (still with a chance)
Then the Indian Test top six
  • Sehwag
  • Gambhir
  • Dravid
  • Tendulkar
  • Ganguly
  • Laxman
  • Yuvraj (reserve)
  • Dhoni (reserve- bats at seven in the frontline)
Tough breaking into either of these. While he does have a shout, the team management's decision to persist with the existing top six in Tests and even play Dinesh Karthik ahead of Badrinath gives you a hint.
Karthik opens in test cricket. Big difference. And he goes around the ODI side as the back up keeper because it was an overseas tour. He didn't get selected for ODIs in India and guess what, when Gambhir was injured, Badri did come in as the replacement. He didn't get a chance unfortunately but it doesn't mean he is out of the selectors' radars. In fact, Vengsarkar often makes it a point to mention about him after the meetings.
 

Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
Arjun stop having a crack at bowlers for being skinny.

Ishant isn't exactly beefed up, and Asif is no tank either.
 

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
Arjun stop having a crack at bowlers for being skinny.

Ishant isn't exactly beefed up, and Asif is no tank either.
I cannot imagine that Chennai Super Kings (since that's the bone of contention) attack playing for India, especially without Ntini, Muralitharan and Morkel. You can't win matches with that bowling!
 

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
I asked specifically about Badrinath. YOu made it seem as though India is bristling with batsmen better than him.. Unfortunately, it is not so. Manhas may average 50 in List A cricket but he hasn't even been able to crack the A side so far. Maybe the selectors know what they are doing and he is just cashing in on tracks such as the one where Jaffar scored 150+ with a strike rate of 150 or so.


And yes Badri is a good OD batsman as has been proven by his success in the A sides in overseas conditions and by the fact that people who have watched him rate him as one of the best batsmen in India.
We still don't know what Badrinath can do that any other batsman-averaging-over-50-in-FC-and-ListA can do. We can give him a chance, but the Test Middle Order Bastion is almost impossible to crack, and the ODI team is also relatively settled. If they play more mickey-mouse tournaments like that one in Bangladesh, they can play him for some time until the Champions Trophy.

You obviously don't rate Manhas at all. The truth is, many batsmen in India have sub-40 OD averages, while he has it over 50. That he isn't chosen is more the selectors' mistake- they pick half-baked wicketkeepers and play them as all-rounders or specialist batsmen, or a top-six full of openers, or make the usual mistake of picking up U-19 players before they're settled, or worse, pick overplayed national rejects in the A team. I don't expect a Test call-up for Manhas. In fact, I don't expect a Test call-up for anybody, even Yuvraj and Kaif. But Manhas averages over 50 in Indian OD conditions, so he's in for a shout at least as a limited-overs specialist.

We've seen Badrinath on television. Maybe there is something about him that suggests he's an India prospect. But there have been others before him, and also with him, who should be considered.
 

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