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Injustice to T20 World Cup

Sarthak Gothwal

Cricket Spectator
because England **** the bed in JRoy’s absence. If he was fit and they won those two games there would have been dead rubbers from there on. Instead we had slightly more meaningful games.

Bold of you to assume that the last four teams also stood a chance in 2019. Maybe Bangladesh did but the rest were dead fodder.
It was fair , like that a team who lost first 2 match has still a fair chance to make a comeback. And it was only 10 teams so top 6 teams were fighting till the end for getting in the knock out stage of 4, which is not in the case of current wt20 where you have 12 teams and only 4 can qualify, with 2 groups.
 

Sarthak Gothwal

Cricket Spectator
That's not always guaranteed. The more teams involved in a round robin the greater the chances of dead rubbers.
It's fair though, a team who lost first 2 match ultimately don't lose all hope of not getting in the k/o. And how can you have more dead rubber matches from 10 teams(as of 2019 round robin) , in comparison to 12 teams(t20 wc), when only 4 can qualify for knockouts.
 

Dendarii

International Debutant
It's fair though, a team who lost first 2 match ultimately don't lose all hope of not getting in the k/o.
If they lose 40% of their matches do they deserve to make the knockout?

And how can you have more dead rubber matches from 10 teams(as of 2019 round robin) , in comparison to 12 teams(t20 wc), when only 4 can qualify for knockouts.
Because it's not twelve teams all playing against each other, so there aren't as many matches. With ten teams there are 45 matches while in a six team group there are 15 matches. Fewer matches means that there are less likely to be as many dead rubbers (even taking into account that it's two groups of six).
 

Socerer 01

International Captain
If they lose 40% of their matches do they deserve to make the knockout?



Because it's not twelve teams all playing against each other, so there aren't as many matches. With ten teams there are 45 matches while in a six team group there are 15 matches. Fewer matches means that there are less likely to be as many dead rubbers (even taking into account that it's two groups of six).
yeah funny how this logic seems to fly over this dude’s head
 

Socerer 01

International Captain
It was fair , like that a team who lost first 2 match has still a fair chance to make a comeback. And it was only 10 teams so top 6 teams were fighting till the end for getting in the knock out stage of 4, which is not in the case of current wt20 where you have 12 teams and only 4 can qualify, with 2 groups.
three of the four sides that qualified won their first two games. The one that did not in England won their next three instead. Their loss versus Pakistan and later SL and Australia due to no Roy is why the tournament even became mildly interesting.

Pakistan were the only side other than the top four to have had a serious shot at qualifying in the tournament. And they themselves were dark horses at best and were seriously considered only because of the uncanny parallels to the 1992 win.

In any case I think the formats we have for both format World cups are stupid and make no sense for a global tournament. At least the T20 World Cup feels more like a cup compared to the ODI league one
 

TheJediBrah

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20 teams, 4 groups of five, knockouts QF up is surely the best way to go for the World T20, right?
Always the same issues. Not enough teams (~10) and the associate members don't get to play. Too many teams (16-20) and half the games are one-sided floggings.

Also having quarter-finals virtually makes the whole tournament leading up to that point irrelevant.
 

Line and Length

Cricketer Of The Year
Always the same issues. Not enough teams (~10) and the associate members don't get to play. Too many teams (16-20) and half the games are one-sided floggings.

Also having quarter-finals virtually makes the whole tournament leading up to that point irrelevant.
T20 is such a truncated format that 'one-sided floggings' aren't as embarrassing to watch as longer formats. The point is, as many countries should be involved as possible and participation becomes an important factor. By having Quarter Finals that participation is extended for some sides. Let's not complain about 'dead rubbers' and one sided games - rather embrace the spirit of the Olympics whereby all participants are acknowledged, not just those who ma
 

TheJediBrah

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T20 is such a truncated format that 'one-sided floggings' aren't as embarrassing to watch as longer formats. The point is, as many countries should be involved as possible and participation becomes an important factor. By having Quarter Finals that participation is extended for some sides. Let's not complain about 'dead rubbers' and one sided games - rather embrace the spirit of the Olympics whereby all participants are acknowledged, not just those who ma
I agree with the sentiment but not in practical terms. It's important for at least most of the tournament, and the sport in general, to feel like it has stakes. If you have 3+ weeks of India, Australia, England etc. playing preliminary rounds that everyone knows are meaningless because they are going to make the final 8 anyway and nothing really matters until that quarter-final, that's an issue.

The best solution of recent years was having a "qualifying tournament" beforehand where the lower ranked teams duke it out for those last 2-4 spots which gives you the feel that these teams got to participate, but also they didn't play 6 meaningless games losing them all by a landslide during the tournament proper
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
16 Teams with a Super 8 should do the trick for the WT20. 12 Teams with a super 6 should do the trick for the ODI WC. 8 Teams with a super 4 can work for an actual World Test Championship tournament.
 

TheJediBrah

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16 Teams with a Super 8 should do the trick for the WT20.
That's effectively the same result as having the qualifying tournament for the lower-ranked teams beforehand, except more one-sided group games and a longer tournament for everyone
 

Burgey

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Yeah we need to get it over with pretty quickly so we can move onto the BBL
 

Sarthak Gothwal

Cricket Spectator
If they lose 40% of their matches do they deserve to make the knockout?



Because it's not twelve teams all playing against each other, so there aren't as many matches. With ten teams there are 45 matches while in a six team group there are 15 matches. Fewer matches means that there are less likely to be as many dead rubbers (even taking into account that it's two groups of six).
i said round robin for 10 teams , and not for the 1 which has more than 10 teams. If we are including more than 10 teams, and that too with 2 pools, then there just shouldn't be a semi final. Atleast go for super 6 or include 2 more teams making it 14, and then following the trend of 2011 and 2015 wc
 

Sarthak Gothwal

Cricket Spectator
Always the same issues. Not enough teams (~10) and the associate members don't get to play. Too many teams (16-20) and half the games are one-sided floggings.

Also having quarter-finals virtually makes the whole tournament leading up to that point irrelevant.
We can have quarters for 7-7 teams too, just like we have that in 2011 and 15 wc. Even Hockey in Olympics have 6-6 teams, and they did quarters(though that wasn't smart).
 

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
so having quarter-finals virtually makes the whole tournament leading up to that point irrelevant.
Yeah I ****ing hate quarter finals in cricket tournaments for this reason, especially if the group stages are drawn out with full round robins or only two groups.

Dead rubbers are annoying but when you know you only have to make the 'top eight' as such a lot of the early games feel just as utterly meaningless as dead rubbers anyway because it's such a forgone conclusion for the top sides.
 
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honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
We have 12 full members. So, to me, the T20 WC should be 16 teams with 4 groups of 4. And a Super 8 where the top 2 from each group qualify and play the other 6. It does make it longer but its T20s and we should fit in multiple games in a day, even if they have to happen concurrently. It was how even the 1996 WC was IIRC.

The ODI WC can be between 12 teams. 2 groups of 6 and a Super 6 stage.

Both tourneys can have 4 spots via qualifying tournament of maybe 8 teams.
 

CricAddict

Cricketer Of The Year
There are more than 100 countries with t20i status. Have all of them play the t20 world cup in a knock out format before the round of 32. Have the test nations seeded directly to round of 16 and top associate nations seeded directly to round of 32.

Will give a truly global feel.
 

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