India Top Two ODI batsmen

[Daemon]

The one constant being - 'Bangladesh are an ordinary side' - Sehwag | Cricket | ESPNcricinfo.com

 

[cnerd123]

The one constant being - 'Bangladesh are an ordinary side' - Sehwag | Cricket | ESPNcricinfo.com

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This would be my one constant ftr

 

[honestbharani]

Sachin
Virat

 

[Red]

Even ESPN thinks otherwise..

Last 30 years 11
Specialist batsmen
Sachin , AbdV , Kohli , Lara and Dhoni
No Ponting , no bevan

Dont worry, ESPN know full well which market they need to pander to in order to generate $$

 

[Red]

It is funny that Tendulkar averaging 11 runs less than Bevan is brought up but not him having strike rate of 14 more than Bevan.

An opener role is not to remain not out and boost his average. He is there to score runs for his team and take the attack to the opposition consistently.

Let me ask you Stephen, which player has contributed more to the team across 3 matches.

Player A : 72(81), 100(110) and 38(49)

Player B : 86*(115), 30(44) and 44(60)

Player A averages 70 and player B 80. Decide for yourself.

How many of us remember Bevan averaging more than Sachin in the Sharjah Cup 1998. That tournament is rightly known as Tendulkar's tournament with Bevan not even a footnote.

Averages in ODI cricket are really misleading. Far better to look at runs per innings.

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

You are still ignoring the number of years, the number of matches, the number of impact innings and many other factors.

MS averaged 50 at a Strike rate of 90 over a span of 5 years.
Ponting averaged almost the same, scored at almost the same rate over a span of 10 years.

51 Vs 44 not same
90 Vs 84 not almost same rate

Dhoni played 150 matches ( plus or minus) in that 5 years.
150 is a reasonable number, 5 years Vs 10 years is the only issue here.

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

Dont worry, ESPN know full well which market they need to pander to in order to generate $$

In that case , they could have Select Rohit as opener and Dhoni as WK. Instead they tried to include more Australians by selecting Gilly as WK.

 

[harsh.ag]

The only thing wrong with the ESPN XI was Kallis as allrounder at 6

 

[Malcolm]

51 Vs 44 not same
90 Vs 84 not almost same rate

The fact that Ponting played half of his matches in 00-04 bridges the gap between their numbers as the batting conditions were getting better and better.

 

[Malcolm]

51 Vs 44 not same
90 Vs 84 not almost same rate

Dhoni played 150 matches ( plus or minus) in that 5 years.
150 is a reasonable number, 5 years Vs 10 years is the only issue here.

I compared the standard average and SR.

Ponting - 32 at 78
Dhoni - 35 at 83

So after era adjustments,

Ponting - 48 at 90 which is almost the same.

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

The only thing wrong with the ESPN XI was Kallis as allrounder at 6

2 mistakes
1. 2 spinners ( that too Warne over Saqlain)
2. Kallis instead of Klusner/ Watson/ Symonds

Pollock / Donald for Warne
And A better allrounder than Kallis could make it perfect.

 

[harsh.ag]

Warne is justified. I wouldn't do it, but it's okay, esp if the allrounder bowls pace. Kallis at 6 is just wrong.

 

[Prince EWS]

I'm usually not a fan of "if he was better, he'd have batted up the order" type arguments, but it really is applicable in Sachin vs. Bevan or Ponting vs. Dhoni debates.

I dunno, they both often batted below some players they were clearly better than, which seems to indicate it wasn't their lack of skill keeping them down the order.

 

[Prince EWS]

Warne is justified. I wouldn't do it, but it's okay, esp if the allrounder bowls pace. Kallis at 6 is just wrong.

Yeah I love Kallis but if you're desperate for him to be the allrounder in the side you have to really own it and bat him in the top four somewhere. If you don't want to do that then there are definitely better options to bat six.

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

The fact that Ponting played half of his matches in 00-04 bridges the gap between their numbers as the batting conditions were getting better and better.

But ponting's numbers remained the same in last 5 years of the decade.

It's like comparing Lara and Bevan in 90s .

 

[stephen]

Ponting was really only the best batsman from about 2001-07. De Villiers was the best batsman from about 2008-2012 and Kohli has been the best ever since.

75-90 Richards*
91-95 Tendulkar
96-00 Bevan
01-07 Ponting
08-12 De Villiers
13-19 Kohli

*probably not entirely truthful

Not to say that there haven't been other ATG batsmen along the way, but these stuck out as being the best in those eras.

 

[harsh.ag]

Ponting was really only the best batsman from about 2001-07. De Villiers was the best batsman from about 2008-2012 and Kohli has been the best ever since.

75-90 Richards*
91-95 Tendulkar
96-00 Bevan
01-07 Ponting
08-12 De Villiers
13-19 Kohli

*probably not entirely truthful

Not to say that there haven't been other ATG batsmen along the way, but these stuck out as being the best in those eras.

1995-2003 - Tendulkar

 

[harsh.ag]

Putting down 91-95 as Tendulkar really shows you don't really know much about his career. Didn't become great until he began opening in 1994.

 

[cnerd123]

Putting down 91-95 as Tendulkar really shows you don't really know much about his career. Didn't become great until he began opening in 1994.

Yea before opening he averaged 30 and hadn't even scored his first ODI ton

Cricinfo - Statsguru - SR Tendulkar - ODIs - Career summary

Didn't realise his stats were so bad tbh.

Sachin was not the batsman of 1991-95.

 

[harsh.ag]

I mean there is absolutely no shame being second to Tendulkar circa 1995-2003, so I don't know why Bevan needs to be elevated so. Was ranked the second best ODI batsman to Viv in 2002 by Wisden. But apparently he wasn't even the best batsman of his peak era.