DrWolverine
International Captain
Can he even play 25 more tests?
I think he should retire from one day and T20I.
Test cricket for the legacy and IPL for money.
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In terms of pure bowling skill, is Bumrah the greatest you have seen?
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I think he should retire from one day and T20I.
Test cricket for the legacy and IPL for money.
centurymaker
Cricketer Of The Year
For India, limited overs tournaments are just as important as big test series, if not more important.
For eg, Tendulkar devoted more than half his career excelling in countless ODIs because they were "super important" for India and several other countries around the world, including Australia. Obviously ODIs have died down a lot since and are totally bat dominated nowadays, but it wasn't the case last century. Imagine if odis hadn't been so important back then, Tendulkar would have focused so much more on test cricket.. and also not burned his body playing 500 ODIs and winning so many matches.
So I find CW pretty absurd when we rate players without factoring in the times they played in and this tendency to completely ignore other formats as if they didn't exist. Even the pundits don't do that. You just can't. For instance Viv Richards without ODIs is you disrespecting such an important part of his legacy. So when I rate players I look at the whole picture with about 80-100% emphasis on test cricket and 0-20% on FC/ODIs depending on the times/the era a player played in.
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centurymaker
Cricketer Of The Year
So regarding Bumrah he should continue to play all formats, but skip limited overs bilaterals. Play the IPL.
But focus on ODI WC, T20 WC and Test Cricket. Because all of these are important and will only enhance his legacy, no matter what people on CW say. Help his nation win these trophies in each format.
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centurymaker
Cricketer Of The Year
Whether he can play 25 tests to finish around 70 tests is a tough question as it depends on injuries. But if he stays largely injury free then it is definitely possible.
He should reach 48 tests by the end of current series. Then I expect him to play all four tests in the home summer. That takes him to 52. Next year he has two tests in Lanka and two in NZ. Lets suppose he plays three. That takes him to 55. Then home BGT 2027, say he plays four with less workload on indian pitches, taking him to 59 tests. In the first year of next cycle 2027/28, there's probably a tour of WI, SA and England at home. Say he plays about 7 of these tests, he would be on around 66 Tests. After that what he needs is one complete home summer in 2028 (Sept-Nov) and he should be around the 70 test mark. But suppose he misses a few of these tests, he can make it up in the next BGT in Aus at the end of 2028. So if he is still playing by then, it's pretty likely he would be 70+ tests and he'd have just turned 35 in Dec 2028.
He should reach 48 tests by the end of current series. Then I expect him to play all four tests in the home summer. That takes him to 52. Next year he has two tests in Lanka and two in NZ. Lets suppose he plays three. That takes him to 55. Then home BGT 2027, say he plays four with less workload on indian pitches, taking him to 59 tests. In the first year of next cycle 2027/28, there's probably a tour of WI, SA and England at home. Say he plays about 7 of these tests, he would be on around 66 Tests. After that what he needs is one complete home summer in 2028 (Sept-Nov) and he should be around the 70 test mark. But suppose he misses a few of these tests, he can make it up in the next BGT in Aus at the end of 2028. So if he is still playing by then, it's pretty likely he would be 70+ tests and he'd have just turned 35 in Dec 2028.
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DrWolverine
International Captain
Bumrah has taken 210 wickets in just 46 Tests, averaging 4.56 wickets per match.
If he keeps going at this rate, he is about 20 Tests away from reaching 300, a milestone that firmly places him among the very best to have bowled.
If he keeps going at this rate, he is about 20 Tests away from reaching 300, a milestone that firmly places him among the very best to have bowled.
DrWolverine
International Captain
Among the all-time great pacers in last 50 years:
McGrath stands alone with over 500 Test wickets.
Hadlee, Ambrose, and Steyn have each crossed the 400 mark.
Trueman, Marshall, Imran, Akram, and Donald are part of the elite 300+ club.
At least for me, Bumrah needs to take a minimum of 300+ wickets to be ranked among the best.
McGrath stands alone with over 500 Test wickets.
Hadlee, Ambrose, and Steyn have each crossed the 400 mark.
Trueman, Marshall, Imran, Akram, and Donald are part of the elite 300+ club.
At least for me, Bumrah needs to take a minimum of 300+ wickets to be ranked among the best.
Thala_0710
International Captain
Yeah 3-4 years more with 300+ wickets at a similar quality is what's required now to have that genuine case of top tier pacers with Marshall, McGrath etc.
centurymaker
Cricketer Of The Year
Back in the day, overseas tours consisted of tests as well as ODIs and usually same set of players played in both with few changes. For eg, when India toured England in 2002, they weren't there just to win the test series but also the Natwest series. Now test tours are seperate from limited overs tours. Going further back in time, there were tours when tests and ODis were jumbled together. For eg, when WI toured India in 1983. They first played an ODI, then 2 tests, then one more ODI, then 2 more tests, then 2 more ODIs and then one more test and then one more ODI and lastly one more test. Thats how a 6 match test series and 5 match ODI series was played out. The likes of Marshall and co played in all the games.
CWer- 'Oh man why the extra burnout in middle of a test series? he shouldn't have played those meaningless ODIs.''
yea right!
CWer- 'Oh man why the extra burnout in middle of a test series? he shouldn't have played those meaningless ODIs.''
yea right!
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DrWolverine
International Captain
Bumrah doesn’t have the durability of some of the great pacers from the past. He has to manage his workload smartly, play within what his body can handle and prioritise staying injury-free.
subshakerz
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Probably why I will rank Marshall ahead even if Bumrah ends up with slightly superior stats.
DrWolverine
International Captain
That’s perfectly fair
subshakerz
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Marshall was regularly bowling 6 or 5 tests a series as a opening bowler. So was McGrath.
subshakerz
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Yes. Realistically with a 1-2 point boost
subshakerz
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
I know. I really was looking forward to a deep dive into the bowling tools each employ and compare. We only like comparing stats it seems.
DrWolverine
International Captain
Akram was more skilled but Bumrah is more dangerous.
The_CricketUmpire
First Class Debutant
For me, in my opinion, Wasim Akram is the best fast bowler in terms of what he could do with the ball - seam off the deck, swing the ball (new ball or old ball) and at pace too. He also used to crease well too.
What's also interesting is that both Akram and Bumrah have small run ups, or should I say not as long a run ups as what other fast bowlers (currently/historically) have had.
What's also interesting is that both Akram and Bumrah have small run ups, or should I say not as long a run ups as what other fast bowlers (currently/historically) have had.
kyear2
Hall of Fame Member
I guess that's fair.
But I do keep red and white ball separate, and quite frankly I don't watch or follow the limited overs stuff.
Plus T20 has 0 correlation to test cricket, in no way what so ever. Odi's I can accept a bit.
subshakerz
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Bumrah is just so impressive. The fitness issue is almost like nature telling you it's too good to be true