If Starc makes ODI ATXI , which bowler will most like miss out ?

[Flem274*]

I'd take Lee ahead of Starc. I'd even take Bracken over him tbh.

That's because you're a wrong selector though

 

[OverratedSanity]

Tendulkar
Gilchrist
Richards
Ponting
Kohli
DeVilliers
Kapil
Wasim
Garner
Murali
McGrath

Could replace Wasim as similar but I’m sticking with Wasim I think. Kills me not putting Symonds in.

Garner and McGrath are probably more similar than Wasim and Starc are tbh. Nothing wrong with selecting two left armers if you think they're both worth their spot in the XI.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Garner and McGrath are both better than Starc and Wasim though

 

[trundler]

Nah.

 

[Flem274*]

It's hard to go wrong with the ODI ATG attack because there are so many near equal options.

When looking for small differences to separate players though, bowlers with extreme success since 2007 or so get added respect in my book for reasons similar to why Viv Richards is so insanely awesome for his time.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Garner and McGrath are both better than Starc and Wasim though

That's fine if you think so. But choosing only one left armer is how a lot of people think for these things. Its a pretty artificial limitation.

 

[Adorable Asshole]

Tendulkar
Gilchrist
Richards
Ponting
Kohli
DeVilliers
Kapil
Wasim
Garner
Murali
McGrath

Could replace Wasim as similar but I’m sticking with Wasim I think. Kills me not putting Symonds in.

Replace Mcgrath with Pollock and Ponting with Abbas and then it's perfect

 

[Socerer 01]

Not an ATG obviously but Shami’s WC record is 31 wickets at 15.8.

and the dumb mother****ers dropped him for an extra spinner in pace friendly conditions in our last WC game. we have a bunch of ****s leading us

 

[OverratedSanity]

Shami took lots of weak late innings powerplay wickets when teams were trying to smash runs. Not as good as the average suggests.

 

[Socerer 01]

Shami took lots of weak late innings powerplay wickets when teams were trying to smash runs. Not as good as the average suggests.

idk about 2015 but this isn’t true in 2019. he was the reason why England didn’t score above 350. they were well on track for it when he took out both centurion Bairstow and Morgan quickly around the 30th over. again he took out Root in the death overs when he started to accelerate and then Buttler before he did a more crazy finish. he was expensive but no bowler in modern odi is going to have an economical day unless they are freaks like Bumrah and wickets >> runs in odis these days. against West Indies he took out Gayle and Hope in the powerplay and dented their chase significantly before coming back to finish the job on Hetmyer at the end

Afghanistan was the one time he statpadded with a hattrick in the last over. he wasn’t good against Bangladesh but that doesn’t excuse dropping him in the semis

 

[honestbharani]

Not an ATG obviously but Shami’s WC record is 31 wickets at 15.8.

Mohit Sharma's is pretty good too no?

 

[srbhkshk]

We didn't lose that Semi because of the bowling.

Also, gotta pick whether we want to cry about dropping Bhuvi or Picking him - can't have it both ways.

 

[Ali TT]

People don't realise just how good Starc is yet. You can't complain (rightly) about the era of mega scores and then look at Starc and think 'not great' or dare I say it 'not GOAT'.

Trent Boult runs Shane Bond closer in my estimation than many would think. If you can average sub-25 with good ER and back it up at World Cups in this era then you are pretty incredible.

It's hard to go wrong with the ODI ATG attack because there are so many near equal options.

When looking for small differences to separate players though, bowlers with extreme success since 2007 or so get added respect in my book for reasons similar to why Viv Richards is so insanely awesome for his time.

Not sure how you compare a modern ODI bowler to one from the 70s and 80s. The former has to have about a dozen different change ups in their arsenal, whereas for Garner this change up was probably pitching one on a good length rather than short...

I guess Starc stands out in the modern era for not having to rely so much on change ups but succeeds because of his ability to consistently bowl fast, accurate and swing it.

 

[ankitj]

Probably because he's not as good in Tests and even if you're a ODI superstar you tend to get overlooked until retirement if your Test game isn't as good or better.

Didn't happen to likes of Bevan and Dhoni.

 

[ankitj]

whereas for Garner this change up was probably pitching one on a good length rather than short...

He had a very effective yorker too didn't he?

 

[Nintendo]

Didn't happen to likes of Bevan and Dhoni.

Dhoni pretty highly rated even in redball isn't he? One of the first genuinely first rate keepers who's also gun with the bat.

 

[NZTailender]

Didn't happen to likes of Bevan and Dhoni.

Probably because Dhoni played 90 tests

 

[Socerer 01]

Didn't happen to likes of Bevan and Dhoni.

Dhoni was considered a lock for India’s atg test side not fair to diminish his test achievements this way

 

[subshakerz]

Starc is highly overrated, sorry.

Averages well over 30 against India, England and SA, the best batting sides of the era.

I think I would take Waqar over Starc if not for WC 2015.

Lol at those thinking of switching Wasim for Starc. Wasim is the greatest death bowler of all-time IMO.

 

[subshakerz]

Have a lower ER in ODI cricket is much more valuable than in tests, simply because of how it impacts the rest of the attack and the pressure you build. A lot of Waqar's wickets for example were taken from pressure built by Wasim at the other end.

Hence why guys like McGrath, Wasim, Garner and Pollock are better than Starc.