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Langeveldt
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I say Johnson/Hoggard or Silverwood/Kirby if they are not fit...
I hope whoever comes in does really well, and then the SH debate can be settled for good...
I hope whoever comes in does really well, and then the SH debate can be settled for good...
Neil Pickup
Cricket Web Moderator
Right...
Gough - has retired for a reason, namely the 1st & 2nd Tests
Kirby - is right in line there and is impressing.
Silverwood - bowled 7 wides, most in the first over today, surely making him eligible for unceasing abuse. He has a chance but you've got to wonder if we need someone so injury prone?
A McGrath as a batsman and 4th seamer - dropped to CC to recover form, has shown none.
Bell as a batsman and 4th seamer (CMJ and Dermot Reeve) - Bell? Fourth Seamer? Not in a Test Match yet.
Kabir Ali - see Kirby
Ramprakash (suggested on TMS by a listener) - Get me his name and address and I will deal with him.
Thorpe (suggested on TMS by Graham Gooch) - We've already established why he's a liability for England. And besides, three seamers isn't enough.
Johnson / Hoggard (if either are fit) - see brackets. They won't be.
Get AA an English passport and all our problems are over! - seems likelier than some...
Harmison will stay in. And note his performance in this test has been the best he's bowled for England
Gough - has retired for a reason, namely the 1st & 2nd Tests
Kirby - is right in line there and is impressing.
Silverwood - bowled 7 wides, most in the first over today, surely making him eligible for unceasing abuse. He has a chance but you've got to wonder if we need someone so injury prone?
A McGrath as a batsman and 4th seamer - dropped to CC to recover form, has shown none.
Bell as a batsman and 4th seamer (CMJ and Dermot Reeve) - Bell? Fourth Seamer? Not in a Test Match yet.
Kabir Ali - see Kirby
Ramprakash (suggested on TMS by a listener) - Get me his name and address and I will deal with him.
Thorpe (suggested on TMS by Graham Gooch) - We've already established why he's a liability for England. And besides, three seamers isn't enough.
Johnson / Hoggard (if either are fit) - see brackets. They won't be.
Get AA an English passport and all our problems are over! - seems likelier than some...
Harmison will stay in. And note his performance in this test has been the best he's bowled for England
SpaceMonkey
International Debutant
New to the forums (Worcestershire supporter for what its worth ).
But WHO THE HELL is AA?
I think the only reasons both Kirby and Kabir havent played for england already is due to the fact they both ply their trade in Division 2.
Hopefully with Worcs gaining promotion Kabir can show his worth in Div 1 and get a well deserved call up, although saying that although he gets wickets, he is far too expensive. ala Anderson.
But atm i think england wont care how many runs a bowler goes for as long as he can get the wickets.
Personally id like to see Hoggard back soon he seemed to have been just getting back into form before he got injured.
Harmison has the potential to become a top 10 world bowler, but alas he seriously has to sort out his radar before thats even a remote possibility.
Jones will be back for the winter but he's far to wayward as well and theres no way we can have a team with Harmison, Anderson and Jones together, infact we should only play 1 of them (Anderson) at a time.
).But WHO THE HELL is AA?
I think the only reasons both Kirby and Kabir havent played for england already is due to the fact they both ply their trade in Division 2.
Hopefully with Worcs gaining promotion Kabir can show his worth in Div 1 and get a well deserved call up, although saying that although he gets wickets, he is far too expensive. ala Anderson.
But atm i think england wont care how many runs a bowler goes for as long as he can get the wickets.
Personally id like to see Hoggard back soon he seemed to have been just getting back into form before he got injured.
Harmison has the potential to become a top 10 world bowler, but alas he seriously has to sort out his radar before thats even a remote possibility.
Jones will be back for the winter but he's far to wayward as well and theres no way we can have a team with Harmison, Anderson and Jones together, infact we should only play 1 of them (Anderson) at a time.
marc71178
Eyes not spreadsheets
AA is the greatest player ever.
Note I posted this when he was injured. Since then he's bowled today what has (on more than one forum/mailing list that I'm on) been described as his best spell for England yet, suggests he will stay.
As for this 1st division argument re: Kirby and Kabir, I don't buy it.
Kirby did nothing last year in D1, and as yet there's no discernable gap between the 2 divisions to discount performances based on division.
Note I posted this when he was injured. Since then he's bowled today what has (on more than one forum/mailing list that I'm on) been described as his best spell for England yet, suggests he will stay.
As for this 1st division argument re: Kirby and Kabir, I don't buy it.
Kirby did nothing last year in D1, and as yet there's no discernable gap between the 2 divisions to discount performances based on division.
luckyeddie
Cricket Web Staff Member
Welcome, SpaceMonkey.SpaceMonkey said:New to the forums (Worcestershire supporter for what its worth
But WHO THE HELL is AA?
No problem with you being a Worcestershire supporter - we tolerate most sorts here *cough*not nottinghamshire*cough*
AA is our lord and master - Ajit Agarkar.
SpaceMonkey
International Debutant
I seriously hope you dont mean Agarkar (sp?) when you mean AA
Cos the guy is pants
It was intriging to see harmison bowl his best spell ive ever seen him bowl when he was forced to bowl off a shorter run up and not try to bowl at 100% of his speed.
Hopefully the England coaching staff will note this and we might see a new and improved Harmison run up come Headingly and further afield (if he's fit to play).
It was widely known that last year Kirby just had a bad season, similar to a golfer getting the yipps. He just lost it.
Much like fellow yorkshiremen Gavin Hamilton did last season.
But he has come back this season more like the promise he showed as a youngster.
As for no disearnable gap between the divisions.
Just look at the Bonus points from the 2 Divisions.
Not one Divison 2 side has got even 35 batting points.
Yet 3 Div 1 sides have over 40! batting bonus points.
This just shows that Division 1 has alot better batting (or that somehow div 1 has worse bowlers, which i doubt :P)
Also compare the front line batting of teams like Derbyshire / Somerset and Durham in division 2 compared to the batting line up of teams like Surrey, Lancashire, Middlesex and Warwickshire and its clear to me that as far as bowling goes it makes ahell of alot of difference as to which division they ply their trade in when it comes to taking their average into account.
This might have also being why glenn chapple got into the england squad dispite his poor Div1 average compared to other bowlers good div2 average.
Cos the guy is pants
It was intriging to see harmison bowl his best spell ive ever seen him bowl when he was forced to bowl off a shorter run up and not try to bowl at 100% of his speed.
Hopefully the England coaching staff will note this and we might see a new and improved Harmison run up come Headingly and further afield (if he's fit to play).
It was widely known that last year Kirby just had a bad season, similar to a golfer getting the yipps. He just lost it.
Much like fellow yorkshiremen Gavin Hamilton did last season.
But he has come back this season more like the promise he showed as a youngster.
As for no disearnable gap between the divisions.
Just look at the Bonus points from the 2 Divisions.
Not one Divison 2 side has got even 35 batting points.
Yet 3 Div 1 sides have over 40! batting bonus points.
This just shows that Division 1 has alot better batting (or that somehow div 1 has worse bowlers, which i doubt :P)
Also compare the front line batting of teams like Derbyshire / Somerset and Durham in division 2 compared to the batting line up of teams like Surrey, Lancashire, Middlesex and Warwickshire and its clear to me that as far as bowling goes it makes ahell of alot of difference as to which division they ply their trade in when it comes to taking their average into account.
This might have also being why glenn chapple got into the england squad dispite his poor Div1 average compared to other bowlers good div2 average.
age_master
Hall of Fame Member
SpaceMonkey said:I seriously hope you dont mean Agarkar (sp?) when you mean AA
Cos the guy is pants
:O :O :O :O :O :O :O
Rik
Cricketer Of The Year
You can't teach radar, it's something you either have or don't. Oddly Harmison occasionally has it but then forgets everything and bowls a ton of ****e. The guy can bowl some good spells but allways lets the pressure off afterwards. That is what is so infuriating about the selectors consistantly picking him when there are bowlers like Kirtley who have waited around for ages and actually have the ability to keep the pressure on.SpaceMonkey said:
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Actually you can teach radar. You can also acquire it over time with experience.Rik said:
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Unlucky.Rik said:Sadly, if this is the best he has bowled for England then match figures of 25-4-58-2 tell their own story
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I'm not referring to Harmison. I talking generally. I've never seen Harmison bowl.Rik said:
masterblaster
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Don't Mock AA
luckyeddie
Cricket Web Staff Member
Not a valid argument - figures do lie - and how!.Rik said:Sadly, if this is the best he has bowled for England then match figures of 25-4-58-2 tell their own story
You'll be saying that Anderson bowled really well in the first innings next because the scorebook says so.
For me, all the bowlers have complemented each other one way or another in this game - on both sides.
Rik
Cricketer Of The Year
I'm just showing how however well Harmison bowls he doesn't show it in the things that matter, wickets. In that case he's like Flintoff. Anyway in this Test from what I've seen Kirtley has still outperformed Harmison, and what I have seen of Harmy hasn't been eye opening stuff.luckyeddie said:
I have NOT said Anderson bowled well, but I HAVE said that it takes a quality bowler to take 5for without ever seeming near his best.