Greatest Overseas Bowler

[Coronis]

ah not to ask you to do too much but could you break other down further in to home pacers vs the balance of the away pacers?
i imagine there you might see bumrah's numbers really blow out but i could be wrong too

Ambrose 46 matches 202 @ 20.78
Other pacers 1001 @ 26.80
Other Windies pacers 476 @ 26.08
Opposition pacers 525 @ 27.45

Bumrah 34 matches 163 @ 19.95
Other pacers 788 @ 25.51
Other Indian pacers 289 @ 28.82
Opposition pacers 499 @ 23.77

Hadlee 43 matches 230 @ 21.72
Other pacers 644 @ 31.13
Other Kiwi pacers 225 @ 40.48
Opposition pacers 419 @ 26.10

Marshall 50 matches 219 @ 21.57
Other pacers 1010 @ 26.95
Other Windies pacers 531 @ 25.15
Opposition pacers 479 @ 28.94

McGrath 58 matches 274 @ 20.81
Other pacers 846 @ 33.38
Other Aussie pacers 317 @ 31.12
Opposition pacers 529 @ 34.74

Steyn 41 matches 178 @ 24.91
Other pacers 548 @ 38.94
Other Saffa pacers 280 @ 33.72
Opposition pacers 268 @ 44.39

 

[Shady Slim]

Ambrose 46 matches 202 @ 20.78
Other pacers 1001 @ 26.80
Other Windies pacers 476 @ 26.08
Opposition pacers 525 @ 27.45

Bumrah 34 matches 163 @ 19.95
Other pacers 788 @ 25.51
Other Indian pacers 289 @ 28.82
Opposition pacers 499 @ 23.77

Hadlee 43 matches 230 @ 21.72
Other pacers 644 @ 31.13
Other Kiwi pacers 225 @ 40.48
Opposition pacers 419 @ 26.10

Marshall 50 matches 219 @ 21.57
Other pacers 1010 @ 26.95
Other Windies pacers 531 @ 25.15
Opposition pacers 479 @ 28.94

McGrath 58 matches 274 @ 20.81
Other pacers 846 @ 33.38
Other Aussie pacers 317 @ 31.12
Opposition pacers 529 @ 34.74

Steyn 41 matches 178 @ 24.91
Other pacers 548 @ 38.94
Other Saffa pacers 280 @ 33.72
Opposition pacers 268 @ 44.39

hadlee's numbers are atlas-like whereas steyn was showing home teams how to bowl in their own backyards - great breakdown and many thanks!

 

[DrWolverine]

I can’t believe Dale Steyn and Jasprit Bumrah have played almost the similar amount of away matches

 

[Coronis]

I can’t believe Dale Steyn and Jasprit Bumrah have played almost the similar amount of away matches

Its cos Bumrah is afraid of Indian pitches so barely plays on them. Its a warranted fear, as New Zealand showed.

 

[sledger]

In my mind I always had Ntini down as being great overseas. But I just looked up his average and it is actually pretty iffy. I guess he must have gone around the park a fair bit despite bowling the occasional great spell/innings.

 

[Johan]

I mean, I don't eliminate it. The SA he faced wasn't as weak as some claim them to be. And I acknowledge that he has arguments to be up there.

But I'm optimistic about Bumrah surpassing him by the time he's done.

surpassing his away record maybe but as a bowler? Nah, twice the ability to bowl long spells, can bowl almost as much as spinners, and was a monster into his 50s.

 

[ma1978]

surpassing his away record maybe but as a bowler? Nah, twice the ability to bowl long spells, can bowl almost as much as spinners, and was a monster into his 50s.

he played a sport, but it can't really be called cricket the way we discuss cricket today. He's more Alfred Mynn than he is Fred Truemean in era

 

[Johan]

he played a sport, but it can't really be called cricket the way we discuss cricket today. He's more Alfred Mynn than he is Fred Truemean in era

By that logic you can just sit there and compare bowlers who played in a ten year range as each other, have fun with that boring stuff.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Ambrose 46 matches 202 @ 20.78
Other pacers 1001 @ 26.80
Other Windies pacers 476 @ 26.08
Opposition pacers 525 @ 27.45

Bumrah 34 matches 163 @ 19.95
Other pacers 788 @ 25.51
Other Indian pacers 289 @ 28.82
Opposition pacers 499 @ 23.77

Hadlee 43 matches 230 @ 21.72
Other pacers 644 @ 31.13
Other Kiwi pacers 225 @ 40.48
Opposition pacers 419 @ 26.10

Marshall 50 matches 219 @ 21.57
Other pacers 1010 @ 26.95
Other Windies pacers 531 @ 25.15
Opposition pacers 479 @ 28.94

McGrath 58 matches 274 @ 20.81
Other pacers 846 @ 33.38
Other Aussie pacers 317 @ 31.12
Opposition pacers 529 @ 34.74

Steyn 41 matches 178 @ 24.91
Other pacers 548 @ 38.94
Other Saffa pacers 280 @ 33.72
Opposition pacers 268 @ 44.39

Great work with the stats. Are they just away or away + neutral (which would include UAE for Steyn and WTC finals for Bumrah)?

 

[DrWolverine]

Its cos Bumrah is afraid of Indian pitches so barely plays on them. Its a warranted fear, as New Zealand showed.

Bumrah in India
12 matches
47 wickets. Avg of 17.

 

[DrWolverine]

NZ is the only country where his performance appears subpar but with just two Tests played, the sample size is insufficient for any reliable assessment.

 

[Johan]

Being subpar/underwhelming in New Zealand is a true sign of greatness

 

[Thala_0710]

Being subpar/underwhelming in New Zealand is a true sign of greatness

The most sure shot one

 

[Coronis]

Great work with the stats. Are they just away or away + neutral (which would include UAE for Steyn and WTC finals for Bumrah)?

Away+neutral

Personally I generally consider away as anywhere bar your home country.

 

[DrWolverine]

Being subpar/underwhelming in New Zealand is a true sign of greatness

Sobers.
Marshall.
Holding.
Lara.
Richards.
Hutton.
Sutcliffe.
Bumrah.

 

[sayon basak]

NZ is the only country where his performance appears subpar but with just two Tests played, the sample size is insufficient for any reliable assessment.

No need to convince me to vote Bumrah, I already did it.

 

[DrWolverine]

Being subpar/underwhelming in New Zealand is a true sign of greatness

Maybe that’s why Gary Sobers is the best after Don.

No one had a more underwhelming record than him.
7 matches. 151 runs @ 15. And took just 9 wickets.

 

[Johan]

I think Muralidharan, Warne and Tiger should've been mentioned if Steyn is mentioned

 

[Coronis]

Sobers.
Marshall.
Holding.
Lara.
Richards.
Hutton.
Sutcliffe.
Bumrah.

Dominating in New Zealand is probably an even bigger sign of greatness

Chappell
Miandad
Dravid
Kallis
Hammond
Sangakkara
Ponting
Wasim
Warne
Walsh
McGrath
Murali
Garner
Trueman
O’Reilly

 

[Johan]

Dominating in New Zealand is probably an even bigger sign of greatness

Chappell
Miandad
Dravid
Kallis
Hammond
Sangakkara
Ponting
Wasim
Warne
Walsh
McGrath
Murali
Garner
Trueman
O’Reilly

for one of you or me, three of these guys are hacks.