Greatest Overseas Bowler

[ma1978]

Take the poll

write the rationale

 

[Johan]

Sydney Barnes has a great argument.

but of the listed names, I'd go Malcolm Marshall, He has ATG series in 3 different countries, multiple in England infact, an utterly genius bowler.

 

[ma1978]

Gotta go with the guy averaging sub 20

 

[DrWolverine]

Bumrah or Marshall. Tough to decide.
Bumrah : 33 Tests. 163 wkts @ 19.3.
Marshall : 50 Tests. 219 wkts @ 21.5

 

[Johan]

Barnes : 17 matches. 125 wickets @ 17.96.

 

[Thala_0710]

It's between Bumrah, Marshall and McGrath imo with Barnes also a good shout. Going with Bumrah just a tiny bit ahead of Marshall

 

[ma1978]

How many independent countries did Barnes play?

 

[Johan]

How many independent countries did Barnes play?

what does independence have to do with Cricket? anyway, he played in 2 and was the GOAT in South Africa and top 4 tourists of Australia on flat pitches.

 

[ma1978]

what does independence have to do with Cricket? anyway, he played in 2 and was the GOAT in South Africa and top 4 tourists of Australia on flat pitches.

It determines whether you have a proper cricket board and structure . South Africa didn’t really exist as a country when he played them.

 

[Johan]

It determines whether you have a proper cricket board and structure . South Africa didn’t really exist as a country when he played them.

Nah they had their own First Class Cricket structure and a completely different wicket type than anything either England or Australia produced. Who managed it didn't really matter.

 

[DrWolverine]

Michael Holding does get underrated.
He did well in the 3 countries he toured.
Like Bumrah & Maco, not well in NZ(small sample)

Overall record
in Aus : 14 Tests. 63 wickets @ 23.
in Eng : 13 Tests. 63 wickets @ 21.
in Ind : 6 Tests. 30 wickets @ 22.

ATG tours in all 3 places
in Aus : 3 Tests. 24 wickets @ 14.
in Eng : 4 Tests. 28 wickets @ 12.
in Ind : 6 Tests. 30 wickets @ 22.

 

[JBMAC]

Notable names missing:: Larwood, Trueman, Walsh, Lillee, Thompson, Barnes , Holding to name but a few. I voted "other"

 

[Coronis]

A statistical look at these pacers in away conditions, and other pace bowlers in those matches.

Ambrose 46 matches 202 @ 20.78
Other pacers 1001 @ 26.80

Bumrah 34 matches 163 @ 19.95
Other pacers 788 @ 25.51

Hadlee 43 matches 230 @ 21.72
Other pacers 644 @ 31.13

Marshall 50 matches 219 @ 21.57
Other pacers 1010 @ 26.95

McGrath 58 matches 274 @ 20.81
Other pacers 846 @ 33.38

Steyn 41 matches 178 @ 24.91
Other pacers 548 @ 38.94

 

[sayon basak]

Barnes : 17 matches. 125 wickets @ 17.96.

Won't take SA at face value. Has a great argument tho.

 

[Johan]

Won't take SA at face value. Has a great argument tho.

would

 

[sayon basak]

would

I mean, I don't eliminate it. The SA he faced wasn't as weak as some claim them to be. And I acknowledge that he has arguments to be up there.

But I'm optimistic about Bumrah surpassing him by the time he's done.

 

[OverratedSanity]

A statistical look at these pacers in away conditions, and other pace bowlers in those matches.

Ambrose 46 matches 202 @ 20.78
Other pacers 1001 @ 26.80

Bumrah 34 matches 163 @ 19.95
Other pacers 788 @ 25.51

Hadlee 43 matches 230 @ 21.72
Other pacers 644 @ 31.13

Marshall 50 matches 219 @ 21.57
Other pacers 1010 @ 26.95

McGrath 58 matches 274 @ 20.81
Other pacers 846 @ 33.38

Steyn 41 matches 178 @ 24.91
Other pacers 548 @ 38.94

Steyn the GOAT.

I looked these numbers up for Imran and his numbers were great in context too.

 

[Shady Slim]

A statistical look at these pacers in away conditions, and other pace bowlers in those matches.

Ambrose 46 matches 202 @ 20.78
Other pacers 1001 @ 26.80

Bumrah 34 matches 163 @ 19.95
Other pacers 788 @ 25.51

Hadlee 43 matches 230 @ 21.72
Other pacers 644 @ 31.13

Marshall 50 matches 219 @ 21.57
Other pacers 1010 @ 26.95

McGrath 58 matches 274 @ 20.81
Other pacers 846 @ 33.38

Steyn 41 matches 178 @ 24.91
Other pacers 548 @ 38.94

ah not to ask you to do too much but could you break other down further in to home pacers vs the balance of the away pacers?
i imagine there you might see bumrah's numbers really blow out but i could be wrong too

 

[Coronis]

ah not to ask you to do too much but could you break other down further in to home pacers vs the balance of the away pacers?
i imagine there you might see bumrah's numbers really blow out but i could be wrong too

Nah its fine I’m at work now and bored. Gimme a hot min.

 

[Himannv]

McGrath was generally great everywhere. His numbers in Pakistan and Sri Lanka are perhaps not as spectacular as they are in other venues, but it kind of balances out when you consider he has 33 wickets @ 21.30 in India.