Gilchrist vs Flower as test bats

[TheJediBrah]

Would have been interesting to see how Gilchrist would have gone batting 4 or 5 for a weaker team. I imagine his strike rate would go down but can't see him averaging less than 50. Not sure how he'd have gone against McGrath and Warne though

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Would have been interesting to see how Gilchrist would have gone batting 4 or 5 for a weaker team. I imagine his strike rate would go down but can't see him averaging less than 50. Not sure how he'd have gone against McGrath and Warne though

Yeah but he debuted (tests) just a week and a half before his 28th birthday when he'd fully worked out his game. If playing for a weaker side he would have debuted in his late teens/early 20s and would have had to learn his trade as a test player.

 

[honestbharani]

Flower as batsman, Gilly as keeper.

 

[trundler]

Yeah but he debuted (tests) just a week and a half before his 28th birthday when he'd fully worked out his game. If playing for a weaker side he would have debuted in his late teens/early 20s and would have had to learn his trade as a test player.

This is a very good point. 80% of Gilchrist's career coincided with his batting peak. He benefits from the 00s batting boom too. For the period in which Flower and Gilchrist overlap, Flower averages way more.

 

[Bolo.]

Would have been interesting to see how Gilchrist would have gone batting 4 or 5 for a weaker team. I imagine his strike rate would go down but can't see him averaging less than 50. Not sure how he'd have gone against McGrath and Warne though

You reckon he would have averaged higher coming in higher up the order because he threw his wicket away chasing quick runs Im assuming?

How does this balance against the fact that he got to butcher shattered bowlers after the OP top order tore them apart?

 

[trundler]

In a weaker team Gilchrist would've had to play on after bowlers discovered the round the wicket leg stump yorker hack. Would've been interesting how he'd have come back from that late in his career.

 

[mr_mister]

In a weaker team Gilchrist would've had to play on after bowlers discovered the round the wicket leg stump yorker hack. Would've been interesting how he'd have come back from that late in his career.

Didn't Shoaib dismiss him like that in his first ever test innings? People should have learnt straight away

 

[TheJediBrah]

You reckon he would have averaged higher coming in higher up the order because he threw his wicket away chasing quick runs Im assuming?

How does this balance against the fact that he got to butcher shattered bowlers after the OP top order tore them apart?

I think it would pretty well balance out. Most of his best innings were actually not after the top order dominated, but when he was needed and the team was in an ordinary position. You're horribly misinformed if you think he was purely the guy that came in at 5/400 and slapped the bowling around.

 

[trundler]

The average score after which he came in was something in the region of 280 IIRC.

And yeah of course his best innings came after collapses. Same with Watling and Knott.

 

[Migara]

Didn't Shoaib dismiss him like that in his first ever test innings? People should have learnt straight away

They knew, but no one had a Shoaib. Closest was playing for Aussies.

 

[TheJediBrah]

The average score after which he came in was something in the region of 280 IIRC.

And yeah of course his best innings came after collapses. Same with Watling and Knott.

A while ago I tried going through all his innings to see what he averaged depending on the score that he came in on. I think from memory it was pretty standard regardless of the team's position. Was a bit higher when he came in earlier but that's to be expected. There's definitely no reason to think that his average benefited from coming in after strong starts, though his strike rate certainly would have.

 

[trundler]

A while ago I tried going through all his innings to see what he averaged depending on the score that he came in on. I think from memory it was pretty standard regardless of the team's position. Was a bit higher when he came in earlier but that's to be expected. There's definitely no reason to think that his average benefited from coming in after strong starts, though his strike rate certainly would have.

Sort of underrating the effect of having tired bowlers and stuff there. Anyway his batting style basically made him a perfect fit for #7.

 

[Daemon]

A while ago I tried going through all his innings to see what he averaged depending on the score that he came in on. I think from memory it was pretty standard regardless of the team's position. Was a bit higher when he came in earlier but that's to be expected. There's definitely no reason to think that his average benefited from coming in after strong starts, though his strike rate certainly would have.

Not sure where you got that from but Gilchrist on average walked in with the score at 325 with 100 overs bowled. He averaged 59.2 when coming in with the score >300 and 34.3 at all other times.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Sort of underrating the effect of having tired bowlers and stuff there.

What does that have to do with what I said?

 

[ankitj]

Lucky to have a stats savvy guy like Daemon here.

 

[trundler]

What does that have to do with what I said?

"There's definitely no reason to think his average benefited from coming in after strong starts"

 

[TheJediBrah]

Not sure where you got that from but Gilchrist on average walked in with the score at 325 with 100 overs bowled. He averaged 59.2 when coming in with the score >300 and 34.3 at all other times.

Lol my bad not sure why I thought otherwise. Pretty stupid in hindsight to think that too. Of course anyone is going to average less coming in when the score is lower even just because it's on average going to be more bowler friendly conditions

 

[TheJediBrah]

I'll say it's because I haven't eaten all day, which is essentially true. Unlike my stats.

 

[honestbharani]

I'll say it's because I haven't eaten all day, which is essentially true. Unlike my stats.

Intermittent fasting?

 

[TheJediBrah]

Intermittent fasting?

Unintentionally. Just **** food where I work.