English spin bowlers

[chaminda_00]

Look out for a guy called Oliver Newby, he's 20, been impressing everyone in preseason and is seen as having a lot more control than the other youngsters so he's likely to get some chances this season. Mahmood has been dissapointing in preseason. Hogg is a much better bat than Mahmood, Newby and Anderson and apparently gained some extra pace whilst in Aus over the winter.

Hey Dave what the side for the first game???

 

[superkingdave]

Team not out yet, 13 man squad was:

Mark Chilton (cpt), Stuart Law, Mal Loye, Iain Sutcliffe, Paul Horton, Kyle Hogg, Dominic Cork, Sajid Mahmood, Warren Hegg (wkt), James Anderson, Gary Keedy, Muttiah Muralitharan, Oliver Newby.

Murali's inclusion was a surprise as people didn't think he'd be ready till next week. I would expect Mahmood and Keedy to be left out depending on hte pitch (with Keedy in for Newby if spinning)

 

[chaminda_00]

Team not out yet, 13 man squad was:

Mark Chilton (cpt), Stuart Law, Mal Loye, Iain Sutcliffe, Paul Horton, Kyle Hogg, Dominic Cork, Sajid Mahmood, Warren Hegg (wkt), James Anderson, Gary Keedy, Muttiah Muralitharan, Oliver Newby.

Murali's inclusion was a surprise as people didn't think he'd be ready till next week. I would expect Mahmood and Keedy to be left out depending on hte pitch (with Keedy in for Newby if spinning)

No Brad Hogde and Chapple looks like a weak batting order TBH

 

[superkingdave]

Hodge is recovering from a Hernia, will be another 2 weeks, Chapple hurt his hand in preseason, should be back next match

 

[chaminda_00]

Just looking at the squad you will probably have a batting line up like this:
M Chilton (c)
I Sutchiffe
M Loye
S Law
P Horton
W Hegg (wk)
D Cork
K Hogg
J Anderson
M Muralithan
O Nemby

Not very strong from 5 down

 

[superkingdave]

Murali didn't make it

Sutcliffe
Horton
Chilton
Law
Loye
Cork
Hogg
Hegg
Keedy
Mahmood
Anderson

 

[chaminda_00]

Murali didn't make it

Sutcliffe
Horton
Chilton
Law
Loye
Cork
Hogg
Hegg
Keedy
Mahmood
Anderson

Ahh Horton an opener, not suprised Murali didn't make it.

Has Hegg batting droped that much that he is batting under Hogg or has Hogg's batting improved that much

 

[superkingdave]

well he's only scored 3 fifties in the last 3 seasons with a high score of 62. Cork will be above him i would have thought- he might be above Hogg but i would put it the other way round (maybe i'm biased because Hogg scored a century against my team in U13 )

 

[chaminda_00]

well he's only scored 3 fifties in the last 3 seasons with a high score of 62. Cork will be above him i would have thought- he might be above Hogg but i would put it the other way round (maybe i'm biased because Hogg scored a century against my team in U13 )

Is their any other keepers around the club or someone coming through, cus i think he only got a couple season left in him, where his batting will be good enough for county cricket.

 

[superkingdave]

Currently the next in line wicketkeeper is Gareth Cross, 20 who will take over from Hegg, but the real prospect is John Simpson, who is only sixteen but played went on tour with England U-19's this winter.

 

[twctopcat]

I still can't see why you would rather a decent wristy over an finger spinners cus if you look at majority of wristy around the world they don't really turn it more then your average finger spinner. Guys like Kumble, Danish, Chandana and Afridi all spin it as much as Harbrajan, Vettori, Giles and Rafique, in fact Afridi spins his finger spinner more then his wrist spinner. The you have guys like MacGill and Adams who spin it a long way but their not as accurate as most spin bowlers. If you take Warne and Murali out of the picture then you will see that these days wrist spinners are on par with finger spinners. It really doesn't matter the slightless what action you use it how you use it that matters.

I know that Kumble afridi etc do not generate massive turn but that is not what a good wrist spinner is always about. Sometimes Vettori, Giles etc are left with no turn on some pitches which is the problem that fingerspinners often find. With wristspinners however that is rarely the case and all they need to do is turn it a bit to find the edge. If it was all about ripping it a yard then Macgill would be the best in the world. I suppose harbhajan is the exception to this as he rips it on most surfaces. However a wristy with good control only needs to turn it as much as good finger could turn on a good day and it is the variations that wristys can produce which make them appealing, the uncertainty.

 

[BoyBrumby]

Another hat to chuck into the ring is Nayan Doshi (son of the Indian test player Dilip Doshi) down at Surrey. He's SLA, 26 years old & took 33 wickets @ 26.51 last year in the CC, which compares pretty favourably with other alternatives already mentioned. His batting seems to be of bunny-standard tho.

 

[superkingdave]

He's not at Surrey this year, i don't know what he's doing, i think he might have played as an overseas player last year as he plays for Saruashtra in India, though i did see an article saying he was interested in playing for England

 

[BoyBrumby]

Article in today's Telegraph* has him in Surrey's squad. They've got Harbhajan & Azhar Mahmood as their overseas players, so he must be English qualified too.

*I don't usually read it, but my work's Fantasy Football is based around theirs & weekly results are published on Weds.

 

[superkingdave]

well it just shows how reliable cricinfo is

 

[chaminda_00]

I know that Kumble afridi etc do not generate massive turn but that is not what a good wrist spinner is always about. Sometimes Vettori, Giles etc are left with no turn on some pitches which is the problem that fingerspinners often find. With wristspinners however that is rarely the case and all they need to do is turn it a bit to find the edge. If it was all about ripping it a yard then Macgill would be the best in the world. I suppose harbhajan is the exception to this as he rips it on most surfaces. However a wristy with good control only needs to turn it as much as good finger could turn on a good day and it is the variations that wristys can produce which make them appealing, the uncertainty.

Hmm well if you watch Kumble bowl compared to Vettori for example then they turn it the same amount on a good day or a bad. All an finger spinner needs to do to get a batsmen playing down the wrong line is turn it a bit or get an edge is turn it a little bit, just like a wrist spinners.

Variation: well finger spinners have fair amount of variation (Top spinner, Arm Ball and standarad off break), currently wristy have more in (Toppies, Sliders, Wrong 'un, Fllippers and the Leg Break). but with many fingers spinners working on flippers and a new doorsa (that legeal), then you will find in five years or so when the next generation of spinners are coming through then finger spinners will have as much variation as wristy.

If your a coach of a young spinner then your better of telling them to bowl with whatever action is most comfortable, cus there is no reason that a finger spinner can't be as effective as a wrist spinners. A good spinner will be effective regardless of what action he uses.

 

[aussie]

have any of u blokes gone to day 1 of the Lanchashire vs Somerset game, looking pretty dull i might say went over to old trafford after school for nothing, but i'll be goin back tomoro to see anderson bowl.

By the way i dont really follow up our domestic cricket structure but when a side is relagated do they remain for the entire season or they can go back to division one based on good performances

 

[aussie]

Currently the next in line wicketkeeper is Gareth Cross, 20 who will take over from Hegg, but the real prospect is John Simpson, who is only sixteen but played went on tour with England U-19's this winter.

yeah stephenson can wicket-keepr we attend the same cricket club & school, the bloke makes keeping look easy, he's got great ability for sure

 

[marc71178]

Another hat to chuck into the ring is Nayan Doshi (son of the Indian test player Dilip Doshi) down at Surrey. He's SLA, 26 years old & took 33 wickets @ 26.51 last year in the CC, which compares pretty favourably with other alternatives already mentioned. His batting seems to be of bunny-standard tho.

He started the season with an average about 50 though.

 

[vvk]

This Doshi chap looks promising, I've read good reviews of the man too. Is he eligable for India or England selection?