England players and selection discussion thread

[kevinw]

Crawley might wish he was being rested ahead of the Tests given his dreadful form this season so far.

 

[mackembhoy]

Is Duckett injured? Why isnt he playing for Notts? This whole idea of resting players at the start of a season seems mad.
OTOH they let gus play for surrey and bowl 32 overs on the same flat pitch at hove that Pope made his 100.

Unless bash suddenly takes a hatful for glamorgan or whichever side hes playing for next week, i dont see how they can justify
picking him over Leach or some other hopeful.

Leach will be useless in Aus and Bashir has gone backwards fast. So they really need to blood someone else.

 

[The_Rey]

Leach will be useless in Aus and Bashir has gone backwards fast. So they really need to blood someone else.

Surely if Dan Worrall can qualify for England, so can Simon Harmer...

 

[mackembhoy]

Surely if Dan Worrall can qualify for England, so can Simon Harmer...

Not now he ended up playing for South Africa again in 2022 and 2023.

Before then he was definitely being talked up to play for England.

 

[kevinw]

Leach will be useless in Aus and Bashir has gone backwards fast. So they really need to blood someone else.

Leach is still our best spinner regardless of that. The only other option is to bat Dawson at seven and play four seamers.

 

[The_Rey]

Leach is still our best spinner regardless of that. The only other option is to bat Dawson at seven and play four seamers.

Leach still isn't great, mind. Certainly "best of a bad bunch"

 

[LangleyburyCCPlayer]

What do people make of Archie Vaughan? Haven’t seen much of him this season (aside from his filthy dismissal of D’Oliveira!), his figures don’t make for good reading but he’s still a baby and decks (especially outside of Ciderabad) aren’t likely to give much support to spinners

 

[LangleyburyCCPlayer]

(Not suggesting him as a pick for India or Australia, I hasten to add!)

 

[kevinw]

What do people make of Archie Vaughan? Haven’t seen much of him this season (aside from his filthy dismissal of D’Oliveira!), his figures don’t make for good reading but he’s still a baby and decks (especially outside of Ciderabad) aren’t likely to give much support to spinners

Probably shows more potential with the ball than the bat atm, but he's nowhere near international consideration.

 

[LangleyburyCCPlayer]

Probably shows more potential with the ball than the bat atm, but he's nowhere near international consideration.

I feel bowling at Taunton (as long as they continue to produce spinning wickets) will help him, I don’t think it’s a coincidence that our best spinner of recent times has been from Somerset, for all of Bashir and Ahmed’s faults as spinners, they aren’t going to get those types of wickets away from Somerset (yes yes, I know the only reason Bashir is at Glamorgan is because he couldn’t get into the Somerset team). Tough gig developing spinners in English conditions…

 

[kevinw]

Dom Bess too. I'm still not quite sure how/why it went wrong for Bess. Performed pretty well with bat and ball, and his final year in Tests was his most productive (in Galle and Chennai). In a parallel universe, he's played 50 Tests and taken over 150 wickets.

 

[Chubb]

Dom Bess too. I'm still not quite sure how/why it went wrong for Bess. Performed pretty well with bat and ball, and his final year in Tests was his most productive (in Galle and Chennai). In a parallel universe, he's played 50 Tests and taken over 150 wickets.

Leach proved a better bowler by a distance. Then we entered the Baz/Key era. Bess also made a poor career choice leaving Somerset for Headingley.

 

[Hungry Llama]

Bess is such a talent, but not exactly mr consistent himself in the CC. Didnt england management fall out with him just as they have with dawson?
I'm guessing part of the reason why bash stays in the squad is that he does what hes told. But theres also Ahmed jnr who hasnt done much so far this season, but hes perf well enough last season to keep his place in the CC side at just 17.

And looking ahead to the Z test: those who think it will be an easy walk for england need to remember the ireland game in 2019 when england were
only saved embarrassment by leachs batting and woakes bowling.

 

[LangleyburyCCPlayer]

Bess is such a talent, but not exactly mr consistent himself in the CC. Didnt england management fall out with him just as they have with dawson?
I'm guessing part of the reason why bash stays in the squad is that he does what hes told. But theres also Ahmed jnr who hasnt done much so far this season, but hes perf well enough last season to keep his place in the CC side at just 17.

And looking ahead to the Z test: those who think it will be an easy walk for england need to remember the ireland game in 2019 when england were
only saved embarrassment by leachs batting and woakes bowling.

Remember one of Bess' hauls in Sri Lanka (I think?) having more than a hint of fortune about it, I think he just leveled out as a sort of 'bits and pieces' player at Test level. Suspect Zimbabwe's team will be too thin to really challenge England, but they have 3-4 proven quality Test level players and are currently making a good fist of it out in Bangladesh, a place we really struggled in the last time we went and would be sure to struggle again in if we ever go back there. Not seen much of Ahmed Jr, I remember seeing him against Sri Lanka for the Lions (his FC debut, just before his stunning County Championship debut), but he must be a prodigious talent if he's getting games at 17

 

[social]

Remember one of Bess' hauls in Sri Lanka (I think?) having more than a hint of fortune about it, I think he just leveled out as a sort of 'bits and pieces' player at Test level. Suspect Zimbabwe's team will be too thin to really challenge England, but they have 3-4 proven quality Test level players and are currently making a good fist of it out in Bangladesh, a place we really struggled in the last time we went and would be sure to struggle again in if we ever go back there. Not seen much of Ahmed Jr, I remember seeing him against Sri Lanka for the Lions (his FC debut, just before his stunning County Championship debut), but he must be a prodigious talent if he's getting games at 17

Bess was generally terrible in the games I watched v India and SL but somehow returned reasonable figures

Looked like the nerves got to him and struggled to hit the pitch

England probably punted him as they felt that he couldn’t get away with it on most occasions

 

[Chin Music]

Bess was generally terrible in the games I watched v India and SL but somehow returned reasonable figures

Looked like the nerves got to him and struggled to hit the pitch

England probably punted him as they felt that he couldn’t get away with it on most occasions

Yeah, all of his performances in Asia that year (2021) were largely very erratic and he rightly got pulled. I remember him bowling a range of long hops and full tosses and getting Kohli with a pearler in between that. There was obviously potential there but it was hard to see him be a reliable bowler unless he was going to bowl more consistently.

 

[kevinw]

What this tells us is that unless it's Leach you need someone who can bat at seven and allow us to play four seamers.

 

[social]

Yeah, all of his performances in Asia that year (2021) were largely very erratic and he rightly got pulled. I remember him bowling a range of long hops and full tosses and getting Kohli with a pearler in between that. There was obviously potential there but it was hard to see him be a reliable bowler unless he was going to bowl more consistently.

One of the tragics on social media produced a stat which showed that he bowled more full tosses in a spell than any test bowler since 2000

 

[The_Rey]

Bess is such a talent, but not exactly mr consistent himself in the CC. Didnt england management fall out with him just as they have with dawson?
I'm guessing part of the reason why bash stays in the squad is that he does what hes told. But theres also Ahmed jnr who hasnt done much so far this season, but hes perf well enough last season to keep his place in the CC side at just 17.

And looking ahead to the Z test: those who think it will be an easy walk for england need to remember the ireland game in 2019 when england were
only saved embarrassment by leachs batting and woakes bowling.

Ah yes, the Murtagh on the dance floor game.

 

[mackembhoy]

When you see this stat, it begs the question how his test record is twice as good.

Obviously unlikely to stay twice as good with how he's currently performing.

https://twitter.com/ohlookitswill_/status/1914247350685401223