Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
Indeed. Hence my "I'd happily do an avatar bet on that" comment, rather than "I'll happily do an avatar bet". Like Shane Warne, I know who does and who doesn't.
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England ODI Team
- Thread starter ozone
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GIMH
Norwood's on Fire
Yeah, well certainly he didn't do much with the blade in 06 when he captained us for the whole ODI summer, so I don't expect it to have the effect that the Test captaincy will (I know you disagree on this also). But hey, let's see.
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
Strauss' game just isn't suited to attacking in the Powerplays though. And attacking in the Powerplays is neccessary in ODIs, plain and simple. Strauss, if he doesn't try to do that, will just let everyone bowl very, very economically.
As I say - I just hope that the way he'll have to try and play in the ODIs over there doesn't affect his Test play.
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
Oh, fo' sho'. But I don't expect it to translate to ODIs TBH - manufactured county openers almost never do. In fact, I can't think of one who ever has. All successful ODI openers for England have been specialists who did it in both game-forms, with success, for their counties.
If Davies performs as a ODI opener it'll be one hell of an unexpected bonus.
ozone
First Class Debutant
Well, attacking for the sake of attacking isn't going to do us any good. If we don't have anybody good enough to be opening and attacking, all we're going to do is lose wickets in the early overs.
Goughy
Hall of Fame Member
I have not. Im interested in what he looks like.
zaremba
Cricketer Of The Year
Averaging a little over 30 in the middle order isn't that bad really. That's where he should bat in the ODIs. He'd slot in nicely alongside the rather contrasting right handers around him (Penisen, Flintoff, Collingwood, Shah) and he will surprise people and will score at least one hundred as well as averaging between 45 and 50 for the series.
GIMH
Norwood's on Fire
Not sure I agree. Davies is young enough to not be considered a manufactured opener. If they don't pick him yet, and he does it again this coming summer as an opener, then he has to be in the team, and opening, IMO
Jigga988
State 12th Man
Like I said before, that ain't much of a problem, who ever you have at the other end will attack more and having watched the Windies in the past couple OD's, if you wait for the bad ball and put it away every time you could still score at a decent clip.
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
Will keep that in mind for Greigy purposes TBH.
zaremba
Cricketer Of The Year
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
It's not attacking for the sake of attacking, not at all. It's attacking because that's neccessary in the Powerplays.
The trouble is England don't have anyone good enough to do it. The attacking players good enough to play ODIs aren't good enough to open. Those good enough to open aren't good enough at attacking to be batting in the Powerplays.
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
Ah, I forget you're not familiar with the CW Awards (currently on hiatus). The Greigy is the Award for "worst prediction of the week", and I guess you can guess what it's based on.
Sorry, forgot to answer that when I saw you mention it earlier. It's the MSN version of
GIMH
Norwood's on Fire
Thought I'd answered this sorry. A clue is that Sussex get a (N)
Jigga988
State 12th Man
Not much seems to please you, not every team can have a Sehwag or Gayle or McCullum, fact is England got to go with what they have and that in my opinion should be Davies and what is a good foil for him in Strauss. Could still score at good clip if Davies gets going and like I said this isn't an immediate problem seeing as though the Windies arn't all that accurate.
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
Davies doesn't open in the First-Class game and is almost certain never to do so. He's a manufactured one-day opener, same as Mark Waugh, Sanath Jayasuriya (though he went-on to be successful opening in the longer game too but was a flat-track bully nonetheless), Sourav Ganguly and many others.
The one difference though is that they're not English. No Englishman has ever done it with success in ODIs.
If Davies is to play ODIs, I'd prefer he bat four or five. Ergo, I'd prefer he bat three or four for Worcs and it's disappointed me that they've allowed England to go Gilchrist-o-maniac again by putting Davies in to open for them.
zaremba
Cricketer Of The Year
Mock away. It is I who shall be laughing when Strauss conquers all.
ozone
First Class Debutant
Well, yes, thats what I was getting at. There's no point in England attacking in the powerplays, because they've got nobody good enough to score runs doing it. In an ideal world, Prior will turn into the new Gilchrist and he'll take the powerplays at 8-an-over, but in reality, none of England's batsmen have the ability to do so.
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
There's no sense in claiming you have something if it's obvious you haven't.
That it's not an immediate problem won't stop it being so in the long-term.
Good accurate Powerplay bowling - nothing else - should keep an opening partnership including Strauss pretty quiet. As an opening batsman, you ideally need to force the bowlers to be more than just accurate to keep you in-check.
zaremba
Cricketer Of The Year
You may have done - sorry threads get swept away from the front page so quickly, I can lose touch sometimes. I will ignore your provocative remark about Sussex.