De Silva Vs Miandad

[Jumno]

Both class players for their respective countries.

De Silva, also an attacking batsman, hundred in Brisbane, that innings in the WC SF, F 96, generally did well against Australia, 90 in 2003 WC.

A useful off spinner too.

Miandad, a crafty, stroke making player. 50 in WC SF 87, important knock in the 92 WC SF, 50 in the 92 WC F.

That unforgettable hundred, last ball six in Sharjah, final.

Who is better and who would you have in your team?

 

[capt_Luffy]

Javed Miandad is a tier above in Tests
Aravinda De Silva in ODIs

 

[ankitj]

Aravinda De Silva in ODIs

Debatable

 

[capt_Luffy]

Debatable

Tier or not is probably debatable, but De Silva is well ahead in ODIs

 

[ankitj]

Tier or not is probably debatable, but De Silva is well ahead in ODIs

Nah. Miandad > de Silva is very reasonable in ODIs. I'd vote that myself.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Nah. Miandad > de Silva is very reasonable in ODIs. I'd vote that myself.

I respectfully disagree on that.

 

[trundler]

Miandad instinctively feels worse because the 60sr sheet anchor is a role that's antiquated in HR modern game but he was a world class though not revolutionary batsman in his own time. The medium slow all rounder and containing finger spinner are similar archetypes. Lower order batsmen who don't really have a power game like Ranatunga and S Waugh have been phased out too. But you wouldn't judge Jason Roy on his hypothetical ability to play the Dukes they had in the 99 WC and I doubt Miandad would be a worse ODI batsman than Steve Smith or Eoin Morgan.

 

[smash84]

As much as I love De Silva, it's Miandad in both tests and ODI.

 

[smash84]

Tier or not is probably debatable, but De Silva is well ahead in ODIs

Very difficult to say well ahead. In fact I would say most people who saw both bat would likely put Miandad as a better ODI player. Miandad was always one of the best ODI players in the world during the 80s and early 90s. Except Viv, none of his peers were significantly better than him. And his average dropped significantly in his last few years but even then he has a 7 run advantage on De Silva, obv at a lower SR but Miandad was extremely consistent. A bit like the early version Dhoni in terms of consistency.

 

[trundler]

De Silva's average and strike rate are both 10% better than the average top 6 batsman in matches he played.

Miandad's average is about 35% better while his strike rate is just slightly above par.

 

[ankitj]

I respectfully disagree on that.

Is there a reason other than a cursory look at Miandad's strike rate? If you think odi cricket has been steadily evolving so later generation players in general better than previous generations, it's best to just not compare across eras. But if you judge players in the context of their eras and on the basis of how they contributed to winning games for their team, you'd have to give lot of credit to Miandad. His strike rate was higher than those of Greenidge, Haynes, both perfectly good ODI players. He averaged 40+ when that was the threshold for elite level batting in ODIs. De Silva definitely had higher highs but had long periods of mediocrity which explains his overall middling average.

 

[ankitj]

Except Viv, none of his peers were significantly better than him

Zaheer Abbas was significantly better.

Chappell, Greenidge and Dean Jones arguably better but not significantly.

 

[smash84]

Zaheer Abbas was significantly better.

Zaheer had a much shorter career though

 

[ankitj]

Interesting comparison of their icc ratings

 

[trundler]

Interesting comparison of their icc ratings

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How am I supposed to feel about these numbers

 

[ankitj]

How am I supposed to feel about these numbers

Stare at them till you fall asleep.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Is there a reason other than a cursory look at Miandad's strike rate? If you think odi cricket has been steadily evolving so later generation players in general better than previous generations, it's best to just not compare across eras. But if you judge players in the context of their eras and on the basis of how they contributed to winning games for their team, you'd have to give lot of credit to Miandad. His strike rate was higher than those of Greenidge, Haynes, both perfectly good ODI players. He averaged 40+ when that was the threshold for elite level batting in ODIs. De Silva definitely had higher highs but had long periods of mediocrity which explains his overall middling average.

De Silva for me mostly due to WC 96. Personally, I rank him as a Top 25 ODI bat; Miandad outside 40 (different tier doesn't sits right though).

 

[capt_Luffy]

Zaheer Abbas was significantly better.

Chappell, Greenidge and Dean Jones arguably better but not significantly.

Jones is a Top 10 ODI bat IMO; he is significantly better than both Miandad and De Silva.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Zaheer Abbas was significantly better.

Chappell, Greenidge and Dean Jones arguably better but not significantly.

Dean Jones started a lot later than Miandad though. Miandad played in the 75 World Cup.

Jones was better though. He revolutionised ODI batting and is perhaps Australia's best ever (close with Bevan and Ponting).

 

[kyear2]

Javed Miandad is a tier above in Tests
Aravinda De Silva in ODIs

Tiers above