Cricketweb decides the best bowler ever, another contest. Nominations thread

[harsh.ag]

you know what, I like the idea of 64 so we're going with 64. Here's some reasons:

I'm interested in seeing which of the West Indies pacemen from the 70s/80s/90s will progress the furthest? Which won't get pass the first round?
I'm interested in seeing how spinners and paceman stack up against each other. I'd like about 20 spinners 6-7 will be insufficient.

So I'm taking matters into my own hands.

Some addtions, based on who I think would have been eventually nominated in:

Kumble
Kapil Dev
Bedi
Chandrasekhar

Shoaib Akhtar
Asif
Fazal Mahmood
Ajmal
Qadir

Streak

Vaas

Bond


64 names. A nice mix of countries, old players, new players, spinners and quickies

20 spinners and 44 pacemen

People happy with this? Any glaring omissions that should definitely be in there instead of the names I chose?

No Ajmal. Prasanna instead of him. No Streak either. Gupte ahead of him.

 

[mr_mister]

EWS, decide who'd you like to put Turner in over. I'm putting faith in your decision

 

[Prince EWS]

EWS, decide who'd you like to put Turner in over. I'm putting faith in your decision

Vaas. I actually don't think he's the worst bowler on the list but I think he's the least likely bowler on the list for someone to actually think is the best bowler of all time, if that makes sense.

 

[Hurricane]

I think pace and spin should be separated.

AWTA

I think spin will inevitably be warne vs murali but I would personally love to be involved in a bedi vs underwood discussion which we will miss out on in a pace and spin combined comp.

 

[mr_mister]

the reason i'm not separating spin and pace atm (but I can be swayed) is for a few reasons, like you said hurricane the final in a spin tournament is a foregone conclusion. also there are a bunch of big name quicks missing out if we limit that category to 32, while if we bumped the spinners up to 32 there will be some fairly weak names making the cut IMO(in comparsion to the rest of the participants)

but again, ill let majority decide and if enough people want, we can just do 2 groups of 32, pace and spin, with the winner of the pace battle vsing the winner of the spin battle at the end. Or not vsing at all and just naming 2 winners. i'd prefer 64 mixed names though

EWS, Vaas is now out. And I do see your point. The reason I had him and Streak in in the first place is because I had to give them kudos for virtually carrying their country's pace attack on their shoulders their entire career with hardly any support from other quicks

 

[kyear2]

With this many rounds.

Yea, definitely needs seeds.

 

[mr_mister]

the only chance of an all-spin tournament is being interesting is if there's no seeds so murali and warne might vs earlier than the final

 

[NUFAN]

Maurice Tate, Anil Kumble, Johnny Wardle, Jack Cowie, James Anderson and Mitchell Johnson are good options who were overlooked.

I'm finding it difficult to place Asif, MacGill, Mailey, Gibbs (to name a few) ahead of them all.

Do we really think that say Lance Gibbs has had a more successful Test career and is a better bowler generally over Anderson or Johnson if they retired tomorrow?

 

[mr_mister]

I had Tate in there initially but took him out for some reason. He should probably go back in. I'm a big big Macgill fan but I can justify his exclusion. Kumble is already in, so don't worry about that. As for Anderson/Gibbs, I dunno. Gibbs is at least a spinner which are rarer in this tournament sohe brings that to the table. Anderson won't win any matches against anyone in this thing(I assume), but Gibbs could.

Johnson is good but I think Asif is better and that's my thoughts on that.

Wardle probably deserves a run too. Possibly over Mailey(though I think Mailey deserves to be here, test bowling average isnt everything) But I ain't budging on Ironmonger!

 

[CricAddict]

Without a seeding, lets say Warne and Murali meet in the first round, all subsequent rounds will be a foregone conclusion. It is better to have 8 seeds to start with. Then we can see if they are getting upset anywhere.

 

[mr_mister]

do you think we should split pace and spin? I'm consdering it now because I'm picturing a lot complaints once this starts. People abstaining from voting because "you can't compare spin to pace". So I might have to yield to my original plan

 

[kyear2]

Just leave them together with the seedings.

 

[cnerd123]

If you have 8 seeds, then every match involving them until the final 8 will be one-sided. Infact the entire competition until the final 8 will be meaningless because we will know who the last 8 are going to be - the top 8 seeds, who are the top 8 because CW voted them as the top 8. It makes no sense. We vote for the top 8 through our nominations before the comp, and then vote for them again during it. There isnt going to be any difference.

Randomise it and lets have some big clashes early on to keep things exciting.

 

[mr_mister]

okay... sorry *****. but for the spin/pace thing to work ill throw in seeds. but they'll be invisible seeds. The first 16 nominated will be randomised, I'm not gonna seed them any more specific than that as you can hardly split the first 30 or so as it is if we look at it statistically.

Those 16 won't encounter each other until the final 16. The other 48 are completely randomised.

edit - or maybe just make a top 32 seeds and make them invisible too?

second edit - you keep coming in with those convincing arguments and make me change my mind lol. kyear will you yield?

 

[mr_mister]

actually **** this. sort out whether pace and spin should be combined first then worry about seeds or no seeds. ***** opinion on that?

 

[kyear2]

8 or 16 doesn't matter.

No use in finding our who is the best with our trying to see who is seen as the second best, 3rd best etc.

 

[kiwiviktor81]

Combine pace and spin, no seeds. Keep it simple.

 

[kyear2]

Combine the spin and pace.

At the end if the day the job is to take wickets.

We had openers and middle order batsmen together.

 

[jaideep]

Combine spin and pace with 16 seeds or atleast 8 seeds.

 

[cnerd123]

There are always going to be fewer ATG spinners because 3 quicks 1 spinner is the standard 4 man bowling attack

We compared openers to middle order batsmen in the Batsmen poll, might as well compare Spinners to Pacers here