Cricket Team Draft - ODI edition

[chaminda_00]

Two down, one to go hopefully.

 

[weldone]

Saleem Malik

With 7170 runs, he's the second anchor in middle-overs that I was looking for once Azhar was gone. This makes my batting line-up a perfect combination of youth and experience, of aggression and caution and of players of different ages, different expertise and different skill sets coming from different countries. And with Saleem, I am getting a 7th bowler as a bonus.

Team so far:

AB de Villiers
Desmond Haynes
Ross Taylor
Javed Miandad
Saleem Malik
Shoaib Malik
Chris Cairns
Ian Bishop
Curtly Ambrose
Courtney Walsh
Muttiah Muralitharan

 

[ozone]

Ambrose>Marshall
Walsh>Srinath (you are missing the econony rate part which is equally important as average in ODIs and way more important than strike rate- And I guess even you would have taken Walsh if he were still available when you took Srinath)
Muralitharan>Saqlain

I agree that Ambrose>Marshall, but only by the thinest of margins. And I also feel the same about Murali>Saqlain (although Saqlain has a lower average and strike rate, Murali has a lower economy and has achieved over a much longer period of time).

However, a comparison between Srinath and Walsh is far harder to make. They are very different bowlers who played there cricket in very different environments. Despite Srinath having a higher economy rate than Walsh, I think this can be in part attributed to the fact that scoring rates siginficantly increased towards the end of Srinaths career and so the fact that Srinath has a lower average and strike rate needs to be considered.

And about de Villiers, I grant your point about his keeping which is probably the only weakness in my team...He is probably as good a wicket-keeper as Dravid, till now...(Though I am very hopeful about him once Boucher retires, but that's another story)...But about his batting, I would say that I gave taken him for the powerplays beside a specialist opener in Haynes...He was great against McGrath and Lee, and I don't think any of the team here has got two better new-ball bowlers than them; so the point you made about his batting against new-ball bowlers is invalid according to me...Moreover, even he he fails sometimes (clearly I don't expect him to make 70 of 75 balls in every match), then I have an equally (in fact, more) great player for the powerplays, namely Ross Taylor...

As much as I am a huge fan of AB, I really think putting him in an all time ODI side as a keeper is a bit much. He has only kept in 8 ODIs, (two of which have occurred since you chose him I think). And although I don't doubt that he could spank even the best bowlers of all time around in the powerplays, the pressure of opening the batting and keeping is immense and will almost certainly detract from him as a batsman.

 

[pskov]

Glenn Turner

In the infancy of ODI cricket he averaged a quite ridiculous 47.00. Yes his strike rate wasn't the best (only 68), but in his era that was quite respectable and would undoubtably improve in the modern game with power plays and attacking mentalities. He only played 41 ODIs but his excellent test match record proves he was no fluke on the international stage. He will open up with Greame Smith and allow me to move Watson down to no. 6.

Glenn Turner
Graeme Smith*
Zaheer Abbas
Brian Lara
Kumar Sangakkara+
Shane Watson
Justin Kemp
Farveez Maharoof
Abdul Qadir
Jason Gillespie
Joel Garner

I think that is definitely one of if not the strongest batting line ups drafted. The bowling will have a quality pairing of Garner and Gillespie opening up, a top spinner in Qadir and good support from Watson, Maharoof and Kemp.

 

[Simon]

My final pick is Moin Khan. Will give my side a bit of depth in the tail batting at number 8. Given the bowlers I have a good keeper was essential. In 219 ODI's he scored 3266 runs @ 23 with a strike rate of 81.30.

Final Team
1 Nick Knight (100 ODIs - 3637 runs @ 40.41 sr 71.52)
2 Neil Johnson (48 ODIs - 1679 runs @ 36.50 sr 70.2 & 35 wickets @ 34.85)
3 Mark Waugh (244 ODIs - 8500 runs @ 39.35 sr 76.9 & 85 wickets @ 34.56)
4 Nathan Astle (223 ODIs - 7090 runs @ 34.92 sr 72.64 & 99 wickets @ 38.47)
5 Roger Twose (87 ODIs - 2717 runs @ 38.81 sr 75.4 & 4 wickets @ 58.75)
6 Robin Smith (71 ODIs - 2419 runs @ 39.01 sr 69.65)
7 Imran Khan* (175 ODIs - 3709 runs @ 33.41 sr 72.65 & 182 wickets @ 26.61)
8 Moin Khan+ (219 ODIs - 3266 runs @ 23.00 sr 81.30 - 287 dismissals)
9 Wasim Akram (356 ODIs - 3717 runs @ 16.52 sr 88.33 & 502 wickets @ 23.52)
10 Shane Warne (194 ODIs - 1018 runs @ 13.05 sr 72.04 & 293 wickets @ 25.73)
11 Darren Gough (159 ODIs - 609 runs @ 12.42 sr 64.3 & 235 wickets @ 26.42)

 

[Matt79]

Pretty nice team there!

GI Joe is up.

 

[G.I.Joe]

Derek Underwood


Team so far:

Gary Kirsten (LHB, 185 ODIs, 6798 runs @ 40.95, 10% no, sr 72.04)
Gautam Gambhir (LHB, 66 ODIs, 2251 runs @ 37.51, 9% no, sr 82.75)
Kevin Pietersen (RHB, 87 ODIs, 3047 runs @ 48.36, 19% no, sr 87.58)
Greg Chappell (RHB, 74 ODIs, 2331 runs @ 40.18, 20% no, sr 75.70, RM, 72 wickets @ 29.12, er 4.04, sr 43.1, 7 opm)
Damien Martyn (RHB, 208 ODIs, 5346 runs @ 40.80, 28% no, sr 77.73)
Mahendra Singh Dhoni + (RHB, 127 ODIs, 4019 runs @ 47.28, 25% no, sr 90.74, 126 catches and 40 stumpings)
Albie Morkel (LHB, 35 ODIs, 432 runs @ 24, 21% no, sr 102.12, RFM, 41 wickets @ 30.53, er 5.22, sr 35, 6.8 opm)
Andy Roberts (RHB, 56 ODIs, 231 runs @ 10.04, 16% no, sr 64.70, RF, 87 wickets @ 20.35, er 3.40, sr 35.8, 9.2 opm)
Damien Fleming (RHB, 88 ODIs, 152 runs @ 11.69, 58% no, sr 68.77, RFM, 134 wickets @ 25.38, er 4.41, sr 34.4, 8.74 opm)
Derek Underwood (RHB, 26 ODIs, 53 runs @ 5.88, 30% no, sr 39.84, SLA, 32 wickets @ 22.93, er 3.44, sr 39.9, 8.19 opm)
Terry Alderman (RHB, 65 ODIs, 32 runs @ 2.66, 30% no, sr 32.98, RFM, 88 wickets @ 23.36, er 3.65, sr 38.3, 8.64 opm)


Batting stats (Top 7)

Gary Kirsten
Gautam Gambhir
Kevin Pietersen
Greg Chappell
Damien Martyn
Mahendra Singh Dhoni
Albie Morkel

Batting averages (desc order) - 48, 47, 40, 40, 40, 37, 24.
Strike rates (desc order) - 102, 90, 87, 82, 77, 75, 72.

Bowling stats (6 bowlers)

Andy Roberts
Terry Alderman
Damien Fleming
Derek Underwood
Albie Morkel
Greg Chappell

Bowling averages (desc order) - 20, 22, 23, 25, 29, 30.
Strike rates (desc order) - 34, 35, 35, 38, 39, 43.
Economy rates (desc order) - 3.4, 3.4, 3.6, 4.0, 4.4, 5.22.


Are we still going for the 12th man?

 

[NUFAN]

Yes mate going for the 12th man.

I like GIJ's team by the way. I do apologize questioning Morkel's selection as I said this without looking at the rest of your lineup. He didn't seem a very good selection until looking at your team and what you needed.

 

[chaminda_00]

Long tail, if you can get through that middle order you might have chance.

 

[Matt79]

Woot! My final smokey makes it through to me.

Justin Langer as my second opener

In any other country/period would have played a heap more, but was ridiculously labelled a test match specialist.

His limited ODI record is excellent and Somerset and the WA Warriors would attest that he's an excellent 50 over player. Some selections with such a limited international one day record, you'd worry how they'd step up, but the ability to compete and thrive in the toughest conditions is something you would never question about JL.

Gilly will love batting with him as well - they combined many times in tests and state games.

 

[Matt79]

Full team:
Langer
Gilchrist+
Hodge
Lamb
Waugh,S
Styris
Kapil Dev
Hogg
Gray
Bond
Tait

Will post full stats and explanations later.

 

[Simon]

As individuals Langer, Hodge and Tait arent bad selections for maybe one per team, but given this is an all time draft team can't see how your team will be valued that highly with all three. Some of the great One Day players otherwise imo.

 

[Matt79]

As individuals Langer, Hodge and Tait arent bad selections for maybe one per team, but given this is an all time draft team can't see how your team will be valued that highly with all three. Some of the great One Day players otherwise imo.

Selecting Hodge was my one real blue. I'm thrilled to get Langer in the final round, and think Tait is a good pick given my bowling depth.

 

[weldone]

As much as I am a huge fan of AB, I really think putting him in an all time ODI side as a keeper is a bit much. He has only kept in 8 ODIs, (two of which have occurred since you chose him I think). And although I don't doubt that he could spank even the best bowlers of all time around in the powerplays, the pressure of opening the batting and keeping is immense and will almost certainly detract from him as a batsman.

Still he'll be a better batsman any day than any of the wicketkeepers left at that time (at the time of my selection)...And, it's not an all-time ODI side, it's one of the 14 all-time ODI sides...And de Villiers rightfully deserves his place there, and a huge (I mean really huge) number of players have been selected who are worse than de Villiers, probably at least one in every team...

 

[chaminda_00]

Interesting selection of Langer and well Hodge.

The first thing I thought of when I saw Langer was Jimmy Maher and the fact that he was basically the player preferred to for both Langer and Hodge intially. Maher's List A record is as good if not better then Langer. Maher's ODI record is quite poor, but he hardly played as an opener. But for mine it hard to justifly someone selection based on List A stats, when someone with similar stats failed at ODI level during the same era. Though you could always argue Langer was better batsmen.

Atleast with West Indies guys who hardly played due to their strengh guys like Shaw and Clarke (in Tests) had brillant record in their limited chances. Though Hodge's record isn't that bad now I had a closer look at others.

There not that many openers of high quality left. But there still a couple with similar List A stats as Langer and pretty good ODI stats as well. Very interesting selection, but I guess the basic was him being a favorite player.

If Goughy and Corrin pick soon we could run through four picks quicky maybe more.

 

[Matt79]

Interesting selection of Langer and well Hodge.

The first thing I thought of when I saw Langer was Jimmy Maher and the fact that he was basically the player preferred to for both Langer and Hodge intially. Maher's List A record is as good if not better then Langer. Maher's ODI record is quite poor, but he hardly played as an opener. But for mine it hard to justifly someone selection based on List A stats, when someone with similar stats failed at ODI level during the same era. Though you could always argue Langer was better batsmen.

Atleast with West Indies guys who hardly played due to their strengh guys like Shaw and Clarke (in Tests) had brillant record in their limited chances. Though Hodge's record isn't that bad now I had a closer look at others.

There not that many openers of high quality left. But there still a couple with similar List A stats as Langer and pretty good ODI stats as well. Very interesting selection, but I guess the basic was him being a favorite player.

If Goughy and Corrin pick soon we could run through four picks quicky maybe more.

Fave player combined with proven international class in Tests, plus comfort/experience in batting with Gilchrist from tests and WA, plus Langer's toughness and determination as a cricketer. With him, Waugh and to a degree Lamb, you know this team will never throw in the towel or think of themselves as beat. I rate that. Maher is good, but List A stats aside doesn't compare to Langer as an overall cricketer.

 

[G.I.Joe]

Yes mate going for the 12th man.

I like GIJ's team by the way. I do apologize questioning Morkel's selection as I said this without looking at the rest of your lineup. He didn't seem a very good selection until looking at your team and what you needed.

Dude, no need for apologies. It'd be boring if we all agreed, and anyway I myself find it difficult to make sense from that mess of colours and statistics in my posts.

 

[NUFAN]

Dude, no need for apologies. It'd be boring if we all agreed, and anyway I myself find it difficult to make sense from that mess of colours and statistics in my posts.

Haha it wasn't like a big apology because I felt like I hurt your feelings. Just I jumped the gun a bit when rubbishing Albie. He's a good number 7.

 

[G.I.Joe]

Haha it wasn't like a big apology because I felt like I hurt your feelings. Just I jumped the gun a bit when rubbishing Albie. He's a good number 7.

Well, you didn't get any chocolates or flowers to go with the apology. You're getting off lightly, mister.

 

[GIMH]

Did I miss a turn somewhere? Sure I need two more players

edit - nah, just turns out I can't count