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Hopefully now Udal won't cop such an utterly absurd amount of totally unfair flak as he has following Pakistan.steds said:Please. You aren't showing the real Shaun Udal.
is more like it.
Hopefully now Udal won't cop such an utterly absurd amount of totally unfair flak as he has following Pakistan.steds said:Please. You aren't showing the real Shaun Udal.
is more like it.
I have changed little. I still don't really think Wasim Jaffer is a Test-class batsman.adharcric said:We were cruising at lunch with Dravid steady and Tendulkar looking like he had regained some confidence. Then Dravid gone to a regulation ball outside off and Tendulkar caught off Udal (...). I leave the computer for 2 minutes and come back to see Dhoni walking in, I don't even want to know what Sehwag did. Then Dhoni was absolutely ludicrous. Harbhajan isn't a genuine batsman but he's certainly better than that mad slog to Hoggard.
England bowled well early on but apart from the Kumble & Jaffer dismissals, we blunted that rather well. Then what the hell happened at the end? What should we do about Sehwag? What should we do about Dhoni? Clearly, Laxman would be welcome now that Tendulkar is out for a while and the famed lineup commited suicide in dramatic fashion.
What about Kaif? Raina anyone?
Yuvraj has only ever been a class fielder in the outfield. He's never been much of a close-catcher, especially to the spinners.At least the bowling was great. Then again, that was wasted by the pathetic fielding, which included world-class fielders like Yuvraj and Dravid. Hopefully "class is permanent, form is temporary" applies to fielding as well.
Richard said:No shot should ever cost someone their career.
But I agree it was one of the most breathtakingly stupid acts we've ever seen.
Up there with Campbell-Hick at The Oval in 2000.
Surely you can't justify Kaif and Yuvraj playing purely as outfielders?adharcric said:I'd rather drop Sehwag than put him at 6, because that means Kaif and Yuvraj are automatically out. Fielding would be even worse, if that's possible with this unit.
Oh, quite. A good close-catching cordon (slip, short-leg, silly-point, sometimes gully) are so, so important to a quality spin-attack.adharcric said:If Jaffer can't be a solid short-leg for us, Gambhir might be a better option. Yes, having a good short-leg is THAT important for us.
Well I think they are both batting better than Sehwag at the moment as well. Yuvraj was doing very well until these past two tests against England, played some really lazy shots. Must be getting badly influenced by the rest.Richard said:Surely you can't justify Kaif and Yuvraj playing purely as outfielders?
Sure enough neither are great close-catchers, and that's far, far more important than outfielding in Tests.
Solkar, in particular was.Richard said:Oh, quite. A good close-catching cordon (slip, short-leg, silly-point, sometimes gully) are so, so important to a quality spin-attack.
Weren't the catchers of Bedi, Chandra, Prasanna and Venkat almost as legendary as the bowlers themselves?
You kept dishing it out to Harmison after the West Indies, what's the difference?Richard said:Hopefully now Udal won't cop such an utterly absurd amount of totally unfair flak as he has following Pakistan.
wpdavid said:Solkar, in particular was.
Interested that you sort of dismissed Kaif in an earlier post, since he was about the only middle order batsman apart from Dravid to show any application in this series.
Admittedly I haven't followed India cricket too closely, so for all I know he might be averaging about 25, but given what we've seen in the last 3 tests I really don't understand why he was dropped.
Haha that would be so damn hilarous. Seriously though, not Chopra, Gambhir maybe? Yuvraj hasn't done that poorly. Laxman should be back no?silentstriker said:The way I see it, we need Kaif. He doesn't have extravagant shots, and right now, thats a good thing.
Batting line up of Chopra, Jaffer, Dravid*, Kaif, Raina, and Karthik+ for the WI tour, just to send a message.
be positive.Sanz said:Drop Greg Chappell. We have had enough of his tricks, now get some real coach, someone who knows coaching and not a trick master.
Indian Cricketers are fatter than ever, cant catch, cant field, cant bat.
TBF there's no way the game was ever going to be saved then. India's only chance of avoiding defeat was to gamble on inducing panic and going for the win. Once Dravid was out the game was going to have a result IMO.silentstriker said:I think there needs to be a message delievered to all shot makers who care more about landing an endorsement deal by playing shots rather than winning. I am not saying Dhoni necessarily lies in this group, but for far too long Indian batsman have gone for personal glory when the team needed a more sane approach. This has been more than little responsible for the batting displays overseas, where discretion is most certainly the better part of valor.
Gambhir is a more attacking type batsman than Chopra. As someone else said, Chopra's favorite shot is the 'leave', and we need someone like that. After I just replayed Dhoni's shot last night, I would be happier if India were collectively all out for 0 (2000). At least that way, the match would be a draw.adharcric said:Haha that would be so damn hilarous. Seriously though, not Chopra, Gambhir maybe? Yuvraj hasn't done that poorly. Laxman should be back no?
Jaffer, Gambhir, Dravid*, Laxman, Yuvraj, Kaif, Karthik+, Pathan/Harbhajan, Kumble, Sreesanth, Munaf
Sehwag who scored a double-century, what, 2 months ago? Less?adharcric said:Well I think they are both batting better than Sehwag at the moment as well. Yuvraj was doing very well until these past two tests against England, played some really lazy shots. Must be getting badly influenced by the rest.
Neither do I - it was an absolute sitter by Flintoff standards.wpdavid said:Solkar, in particular was.
Interested that you sort of dismissed Kaif in an earlier post, since he was about the only middle order batsman apart from Dravid to show any application in this series.
Admittedly I haven't followed India cricket too closely, so for all I know he might be averaging about 25, but given what we've seen in the last 3 tests I really don't understand why he was dropped.
Richard said:Sehwag who scored a double-century, what, 2 months ago? Less?
(Dropped 50 times or so, yes, but that's par-for-the-course in Sehwag-vs-Pakistan)
I refuse to believe that Kaif can ever bat better than Sehwag.
Err... eh?steds said:You kept dishing it out to Harmison after the West Indies, what's the difference?