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Bradman vs Viv (against pace)

Who was the better batsman against pace bowling?

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kyear2

kyear2

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Patience and Accuracy+Gut said:
The main thing there is Bradman was just too quick to be hit. He only really got hit once entire season. Bradman could have literally just left everything that was on the body and he would have averaged way higher than 56.57 iirc which he did. Instead of that, Bradman actually went to counter. His Strike rate in that series was 74.5.

Bradman on body line series finished with averaging 56.57 at a strike rate of 74.5 facing an attack of Peak Larwood, Voce, Allen and Verity with an unfair field setting. That’s leagues leagues above average bowling attack Viv faced. If Viv had put that stats he would probably be hailed as no.2 here. As , I said if Viv was anything close to Bradman in any regard we don’t see an average of barely over 50.
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Larwood, Voce and Allen is leagues ahead of anything Viv faced? Really?

Is this what we're convincing ourselves of now?

We can say Bradman was the best, which he was, but to pretend that Larwood, Allen And Voce is leagues better is laughable.

Viv, Lara, Tendulkar, Sobers, Smith all faced faster and tougher conditions than Bradman did and considerably better bowler and attacks.

I'm still awaiting the ATG attacks that he faced that validates saying he was better vs elite fast bowling.
 
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Coronis

Coronis

Hall of Fame Member
kyear2 said:
Larwood, Voce and Allen ks leagues ahead of anything Viv faced? Really?

Is this what we're convincing ourselves of now?

We can say Bradman was the best, which he was, but to pretend that Larwood, Allen And Voce iseages better is laughable.

Viv, Lara, Tendulkar, Sobers, Smith all faced faster and tougher conditions than Bradman did and considerably better bowler and attacks.

I'm still awaiting the ATG attacks that he faced that validates saying he was better vs elite fast bowling.
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I believe he said better than the average attack Viv faced. Not anything he faced.
 
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Fuller Pilch

Hall of Fame Member
kyear2 said:
He also never faced any pacer that approached the quality of any of the WI quartet, Marshall, Hadlee, Imran, Lillee, the Ws, Donald, McGrath, Trueman, Davidson etc etc.
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Larwood and Cowie (SA v NZ)

He would've faced Lindwall, Miller, and Johnston a lot in the nets and I assume in Sheffield Shield.

Ovviously Eddie Gilbert was as quick as those mentioned above, but Don struggled against him.
 
kyear2

kyear2

Hall of Fame Member
Fuller Pilch said:
Larwood and Cowie (SA v NZ)

He would've faced Lindwall, Miller, and Johnston a lot in the nets and I assume in Sheffield Shield.

Ovviously Eddie Gilbert was as quick as those mentioned above, but Don struggled against him.
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In the nets sure, in tests no, and I've never seen figured from when he faced them in domestic cricket.

That and again, the flattest era in the sport.

This isn't about Vivian being from the WI.

What did Bradman do that would lead us to the conclusion that he would be great against AT pace attacks, far less on anything approaching helpful conditions?
 
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Patience and Accuracy+Gut

State Vice-Captain
kyear2 said:
Larwood, Voce and Allen is leagues ahead of anything Viv faced? Really?

Is this what we're convincing ourselves of now?

We can say Bradman was the best, which he was, but to pretend that Larwood, Allen And Voce is leagues better is laughable.

Viv, Lara, Tendulkar, Sobers, Smith all faced faster and tougher conditions than Bradman did and considerably better bowler and attacks.

I'm still awaiting the ATG attacks that he faced that validates saying he was better vs elite fast bowling.
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Didn’t I mention average attack. Average attack. Larwood, Voce, Allen, Verity and Hammond as the 5th bowler. That’s way better than average attack anyone in history had faced. This would have been a better question if Viv averaged 80 rather than 50. He averaged 50, barely 50. 50!!!

How is a guy averaging 50 better than a guy averaging 100 against anything?? Viv faced better attacks on average, yes. But as I said there was nothing that would suggest to me an average of barely 50 is better than a guy averaging 100 against anything. Unless someone suggests, every bowler Viv was facing was Peak Barnes or Peak Bumrah.

For Sobers, he faced lot more bums than Bradman too. Those India, Pakistan and New Zealand (lol) attacks. Those covered his 40 percent of matches. Australia after Davo retired had nothing for him to not average 100 plus too?? Yes, Sobers faced bowlers that were better but to average 57 in this scenario, that’s nothing enough. West Indies pitches in his time were flat decks no different from Bradman. And away from home Sobers barely averages 50!! There is nothing that suggests to me that Bradman averages anything less than 90 plus in the same set of 93 matches.
 
vidiq

vidiq

State Regular
Coronis said:
So no, you don’t. The term Bodyline is often thrown around by people who don’t understand it, or are using it as a joke, this a great example from Tim Paine.
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Migara said:
They were way better players of bouncer barrage. Other than for Ponting, didn't talked much too.

Don't believe? This is how Inzi treats Ambrose when he was provoked.

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If this match was played on a Pak subcontinent pitch, then it is not a big deal,
Head can destroy all the ATG bowlers in any type of pitch.
 
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