Better Batsman : Jadeja vs Imran

[ankitj]

Jadeja and Imran are pretty much dead heat as batters. It's not a shame for either one to finish 2nd.

To put in perspective – Imran was basically Jadeja's batting + Bumrah's bowling

 

[ma1978]

Jadeja and Imran are pretty much dead heat as batters. It's not a shame for either one to finish 2nd.

To put in perspective – Imran was basically Jadeja's batting + Bumrah's bowling

that’s why he’s one of the five or six in the BAB category

 

[Randomfan]

Sure we can agree that the pitches have been touch trickier for Jadeja but I wouldn't say he succeeded on those pitches either

I am not sure we can claim that. I just pulled some matches for Jadeja contributing,

2014 Lords - 68(57)
2016 Kanpur - 42* & 50*
2016 Mohali - 90(170)
2017 Dharmshala - 63(95)
2018 Oval - 86*
2019 North Sound 58(112)
2020 Melborne 57(159)
2021 Nottingham 56(86)
2021 Lords 40(120)
2021 Kanpur 50(112)
2022 Birmingham 104(194)
2023 Nagpur 70(185)
2024 Hyderabad 87(180)
2024 Brisbane 77(123)
2024 Delhi 43(49)


Yes, we can start nitpicking , but all these contributions were not in dead pitches with tame draws with 500-600 scores. Most contribution came when match was on line and many of them were won or saved by contribution by Jadeja. It seems very impressive given he batted at 6 or lower. I will see it as succeeding.

 

[h_hurricane]

That's fine. What if he completely fails in the next SA or NZ series. Will he be back in a tie?

Your opinion on Jadeja or any other active cricketer doesn't need to be unidirectional. Didn't you downgrade Kohli recently(for right reasons) after arguing for ages that Kohli > Dravid.
You rate someone on what they have done, if the sample size is comparable, not on what is unknown. If Jadeja fails in the future in NZ or SA, he will be downgraded. Exactly how much depends on the extent of him going downhill and how much it negatively impacts the team. Won't be a lot as he is already almost 37 and don't have much tests left to play in those countries.

The point was whether he is proven or not in NZ and I don't think IK in NZ by these batters standards, where mid 30s is a pass, is considered a question mark. Unless you think we should disregard flat pitch performances for both, in which case Jadejas recent ton should be disregarded.

You had brought up Imran's performances in NZ (with a sample size of 203 runs) as if that is a win over Jadeja, which is why I responded. A better example for Imran should have been his Adelaide hundred which was match saving. I wouldn't disregard it, but now it is matched by Jadeja's hundred last series, and hence cancels out.

 

[subshakerz]

Your opinion on Jadeja or any other active cricketer doesn't need to be unidirectional. Didn't you downgrade Kohli recently(for right reasons) after arguing for ages that Kohli > Dravid.
You rate someone on what they have done, if the sample size is comparable, not on what is unknown. If Jadeja fails in the future in NZ or SA, he will be downgraded. Exactly how much depends on the extent of him going downhill and how much it negatively impacts the team. Won't be a lot as he is already almost 37 and don't have much tests left to play in those countries.


You had brought up Imran's performances in NZ (with a sample size of 203 runs) as if that is a win over Jadeja, which is why I responded. A better example for Imran should have been his Adelaide hundred which was match saving. I wouldn't disregard it, but now it is matched by Jadeja's hundred last series, and hence cancels out.

I brought up Imran in NZ basically as a par performance for him. But anyways I think we mostly agree.

 

[subshakerz]

I am not sure we can claim that. I just pulled some matches for Jadeja contributing,

2014 Lords - 68(57)
2016 Kanpur - 42* & 50*
2016 Mohali - 90(170)
2017 Dharmshala - 63(95)
2018 Oval - 86*
2019 North Sound 58(112)
2020 Melborne 57(159)
2021 Nottingham 56(86)
2021 Lords 40(120)
2021 Kanpur 50(112)
2022 Birmingham 104(194)
2023 Nagpur 70(185)
2024 Hyderabad 87(180)
2024 Brisbane 77(123)
2024 Delhi 43(49)


Yes, we can start nitpicking , but all these contributions were not in dead pitches with tame draws with 500-600 scores. Most contribution came when match was on line and many of them were won or saved by contribution by Jadeja. It seems very impressive given he batted at 6 or lower. I will see it as succeeding.

My comment wasn't a blanket one but specific to series length.

 

[Coronis]

Yah, WI actually has been a hard place to bat during Jadeja's career.

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Just a note on this, always better to use the batting/bowling tab for ones like this, it excludes extras.

 

[smash84]

Yes, very close as batsman. I went with Imran but could have gone with Jadeja as well. Going by memory Jadeja slightly better in attack. and Imran better in defense IMO

 

[subshakerz]

Yes, very close as batsman. I went with Imran but could have gone with Jadeja as well. Going by memory Jadeja slightly better in attack. and Imran better in defense IMO

Jadeja has improved his defense quite a bit. I think that's made him a better bat.