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Explain to me how Kapil is a better bat than Imran, much less Jadeja.as batsmen Botham > Stokes > Kapil > Imran > Jadeja
as bowlers Imran > Botham > Jadeja > Kapil > Stokes
Explain to me how Kapil is a better bat than Imran, much less Jadeja.as batsmen Botham > Stokes > Kapil > Imran > Jadeja
as bowlers Imran > Botham > Jadeja > Kapil > Stokes
Jadeja>Imran>Kapil as batsmenExplain to me how Kapil is a better bat than Imran, much less Jadeja.
Jadeja has improved so I definitely see an argument there. Not really for Kapil.Jadeja>Imran>Kapil as batsmen
Yes, and it would have been reflected in his higher average. "All else equal" can't mean same average with higher rpi, that's distorting reality.Everything else being the same, would it have been better if Imran had averaged 37 runs per innings with the bat instead of averaging 30 runs per innings?
Oh I didn't say Kapil has a case to be above Imran, unless you really really value SR, but think they still are close.Jadeja has improved so I definitely see an argument there. Not really for Kapil.
He actually posted that in agreement to your post.Oh I didn't say Kapil has a case to be above Imran, unless you really really value SR, but think they still are close.
Yeah, but I yesterday said Kapil and Imran are close as batsmen and he said NopeHe actually posted that in agreement to your post.
I would have commented this but I've tried to ask similar hypotheticals to OS's in the past and if you ask "in general" or ask about a specific player don't say "all else equal" you're going to get the cop-out answer "it depends". So I'm willing to suspend disbelief and answer the core, perfectly reasonable hypothetical of whether higher RPI at the expense of not outs is better.Yes, and it would have been reflected in his higher average. "All else equal" can't mean same average with higher rpi, that's distorting reality.
is Jadeja really easily better than Kapil with the bat?Jadeja has improved so I definitely see an argument there. Not really for Kapil.
Who is arguing that though?Players with similar averages and drastically different RPI are not of equal quality , or equal value or equal important to the team.
Sure hypothetically but that is never happening. But there is no way in hell you would rate that bat the same as a 20s averaging bat and we all know.Hypothetically , if there was a batsman who made a string of unbeaten 20s in his "prime" batting at number 8 and frauded his way to a career average of 75 these zero iq mother****ers would call him better than bradman. **** off.
That's so obviously not true.Not outs are ****ing useless and so are you.
Not easily but betteris Jadeja really easily better than Kapil with the bat?
Feeling is mutual.You not out nut-huggers honestly ****ing disgust me.
You imagine that if you allowed a batsmen who frequently scores 60* they will get out before 65 or so. That just doesn't happen. It's near statistical impossibilityYou can keep sucking off players who regularly end up with wimpy little scores of 60* and **** while actual impactful batsmen will simply score more runs.
That's either not possible or the team management will realise the potential and promote such a batsman. See Steve Smith.Hypothetically , if there was a batsman who made a string of unbeaten 20s in his "prime" batting at number 8 and frauded his way to a career average of 75 these zero iq mother****ers would call him better than bradman. **** off.
hahaha I know you dont want me to explain. but you just disagree with me, and thats ok...Explain to me how Kapil is a better bat than Imran, much less Jadeja.
Ah I see. Your issue is you might be unfamiliar with a series of Imran's knock when he saved Pakistan so you assume his runs are mostly just in meaningless runfests. I would suggest you look at this first ton against the WI quartet and last ton in Adelaide when he saved Pakistan in tough situations against tough teams. And plenty of other knocks besides that both home and away against top attacks saving games, including Lillee and Marshall.hahaha I know you dont want me to explain. but you just disagree with me, and thats ok...
Still, if I took your words literally and actually tried to build a case, I would start with the fact that kapil has played more meaningful knocks in test cricket than Imran. He has scored runs when it mattered - like in the tied test/ in the Chennai test vs Windies two years later/ in South Africa vs Allan Donald - preventing follow on, or setting up a winning position for his team or giving his team a fighting chance when everyone else was crumbling around him.
he has decimated tough attacks with audacious stroke play (knocks in the West Indies versus the pace battery/ 89 off 55 balls in England) or just had fun playing cameos (4 Sixers to prevent follow on at Lords in 1990).
He has also played Imran-esque knocks (his highest score versus Sri Lanka in Kanpur in 1986) when he has piled on runs with nothing at stake in pointless games.
He scored fast. He scored all around the wicket. He didnt rely on not outs to boost his average. Imran was better than him at steadying the inning in the sheet anchor role (not that he cant hit big). But he was insipid as a batsman. He was useful for his team, perhaps. But he never changed the course of any game with his batsmanship (while winning the world with his bowling).
In terms of raw batting talent, they are closer. In temperament Imran was better. As for impact, Kapil was miles ahead.
Quite true.Come on. Subz vs Kyear2 is more boring than the Ashes.
I am old enough to have actually followed both their careers as they unfolded. my admiration for Imran's bowling and my opinion on his batting both come from following his exploits series by series. you shall stick to your opinion. I will stick to mine.Ah I see. Your issue is you might be unfamiliar with a series of Imran's knock when he saved Pakistan so you assume his runs are mostly just in meaningless runfests. I would suggest you look at this first ton against the WI quartet and last ton in Adelaide when he saved Pakistan in tough situations against tough teams. And plenty of other knocks besides that both home and away against top attacks saving games, including Lillee and Marshall.
Remove not outs and Imran still has a comfortably better average than Kapil.
I would agree Kapil was more destructive but I don't think it matters as much in tests at no.7/8 as much as saving games for relatively weaker teams.
Engaging with salty is never a good ideaI am old enough to have actually followed both their careers as they unfolded. my admiration for Imran's bowling and my opinion on his batting both come from following his exploits series by series. you shall stick to your opinion. I will stick to mine.