Best 1st Class Allrounder

[aussie tragic]

Just wondering who has been the best 1st Class Allrounder that played after 1950:

I’ve set the minimums at 10,000 runs @ > 30.00 and 500 wkts @ < 30.00 and have come up with the following 12 names (in order of games played):

Trevor Bailey: 682 games, 28,641 runs @ 33.42 --- 2,082 wkts @ 23.13
Clive Rice: 482 games, 26,331 runs @ 40.95 --- 930 wkts @ 22.49
Ian Botham: 402 games, 19,399 runs @ 33.97 --- 1,172 wkts @ 27.22
Mike Procter: 401 games, 21,936 runs @ 36.01 --- 1,417 wkts @ 19.53
Gary Sobers: 383 games, 28,314 runs @ 54.87 --- 1,043 wkts @ 27.74
Imran Khan: 382 games, 17,771 runs @ 36.79 --- 1,287 wkts @ 22.32
Tony Greig: 350 games, 16,660 runs @ 31.19 --- 856 wkts @ 28.85
Richard Hadlee: 342 games, 12,052 runs @ 31.71 --- 1,490 wkts @ 18.11
Kapil Dev: 275 games, 11,356 runs @ 32.91 --- 835 wkts @ 27.09
Richie Benaud: 259 games, 11,719 runs @ 36.50 --- 945 wkts @ 24.73
Keith Miller: 226 games, 14,183 runs @ 48.90 --- 497 wkts @ 22.30 (close enough)
Chris Cairns: 217 games, 10,702 runs @ 35.32 --- 647 wkts @ 28.31

I’m thinking Mike Procter, however I’m sure you all have your own opinions….cue Sobers/Imran debate…remember I’m talking 1st class cricketer, not test

Edit: As correctly pointed out, I missed Clive Rice....now added as is Tony Greig

 

[Fiery]

Sobers

 

[silentstriker]

Sobers or Miller.

 

[pup11]

Sobers

AWTA. TBH i thought you were gonna name Cairns.

 

[Fiery]

AWTA. TBH i thought you were gonna name Cairns.

Would have said Paddles tbh

 

[grecian]

*cough*

 

[Fiery]

*cough*

yeah good call. Outstanding player

 

[pup11]

Sobers

AWTA. TBH i thought you were gonna name Cairns.

 

[Fiery]

AWTA. TBH i thought you were gonna name Cairns.

Deja vu

 

[sideshowtim]

Sobers' record is absolutely ridiculous.

 

[aussie tragic]

Sobers or Miller.

I was thinking Miller looked fantastic with a top order batting average of 48, plus an opening bowler average of 22....only problem is that he took only 2.2 wkts a game...This is the same problem I have with Sobers in Test cricket, however I note that he took 2.7 per game in 1st Class cricket, plus his bowling average is a more respectable 27, so maybe I'll think again.....

As far as batting or bowling only, Sobers, Miller & Rice could obviously get in the side as batsmen alone, while Hadlee, Procter, Miller and Imran have phenominal bowling records....

 

[BhupinderSingh]

1.Imran Khan
2.Mike Procter
3.Richard Hadlee
4.Garry Sobers
5.Keith Miller

I've put Miller so low because he took only 2.1 wickets per game & IMO,anything below 3.0(If bowling allrounder) & 2.5(if batting allrounder) is really poor.

 

[BhupinderSingh]

*cough*

Only 1.9 wkts/game.IMO,he was a batsman who could bowl a bit.

 

[Fiery]

Only 1.9 wkts/game.IMO,he was a batsman who could bowl a bit.

930 wickets at 22 suggests he was far more than that

 

[BhupinderSingh]

I was thinking Miller looked fantastic with a top order batting average of 48, plus an opening bowler average of 22....only problem is that he took only 2.2 wkts a game...This is the same problem I have with Sobers in Test cricket, however I note that he took 2.7 per game in 1st Class cricket, plus his bowling average is a more respectable 27, so maybe I'll think again.....

As far as batting or bowling only, Sobers and Miller could obviously get in the side as batsmen alone, while Hadlee, Procter, Miller and Imran have phenominal bowling averages....

In otherwords, I know that Procter has a much better record than Bailey, Botham, Cairns, Dev & Benaud, so that elimiantes 5, but how to decide who's best of Miller, Sobers, Procter, Imran or Hadlee???

I wouldn't argue here if anyone puts Sobers at the top. I've put him at # 4 only because of my love for bowling allrounders.

 

[BhupinderSingh]

930 wickets at 22 suggests he was far more than that

You may right him highly based on your opinions but I doesn't satisfy my criteria for being an allrounder.

 

[Fiery]

You may right him highly based on your opinions but I doesn't satisfy my criteria for being an allrounder.

Gee. What does?

 

[BhupinderSingh]

Gee. What does?

Irrespective of average,taking less than 2.0 wickets a game is not good enough to be classified as an allrounder in my books.

 

[aussie tragic]

Irrespective of average,taking less than 2.0 wickets a game is not good enough to be classified as an allrounder in my books.

Very harsh imo....the guy played 482 games over 25 years, eventually retiring at 45 and yet he still has a career bowling average of 22...I also imagine his bowling declined over the last 10-years or so, which would have dropped him below 2 wkts per game?

 

[Ikki]

I wouldn't argue here if anyone puts Sobers at the top. I've put him at # 4 only because of my love for Imran Khan.

I fixed your post.