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Australian rotation (resting) policy

is it a bad idea?

  • yea

    Votes: 8 33.3%
  • no

    Votes: 16 66.7%

  • Total voters
    24

FaaipDeOiad

Hall of Fame Member
It's just being applied in a silly fashion. For example, with McGrath, he is someone who needs a lot of bowling and needs regualar game time. Yet he is served up a dis-jointed schedule.

I can understand the policy if it is to give players who play both forms of the game, some time away from cricket. However, take McGrath for example this Summer, he was being 'rested' and yet he was still at the ground carrying drinks and sitting on the boundary rope! He's getting no mental rest from cricket by doing that.

If you're going to rest someone like that, give them a complete break from the game. If they're at the game, they may as well be playing. Particularly the guys who need overs under their belt, rather than random rests.
Worth noting with regard to McGrath that he is playing in the C-H series. The process has obviously been a buildup to the World Cup, and it's recognised that McGrath needs some more game time, while Ponting and Gilchrist probably don't. I don't think it's being applied blindly at all.
 

BoyBrumby

Englishman
Worth noting with regard to McGrath that he is playing in the C-H series. The process has obviously been a buildup to the World Cup, and it's recognised that McGrath needs some more game time, while Ponting and Gilchrist probably don't. I don't think it's being applied blindly at all.
It's a pity he bowls first up & at the death, really because his body seems to be almost palpably creaking in the field nowadays. If he bowled straight through you could whip him off & put on a halfway-decent fielder in his place.

Bowled very well today (at the end, only saw his last spell) so is running into form at the right time.
 

aussie

Hall of Fame Member
However, when rubbish like Johnson, White, Hopes, Watson, Williams, Haddin, Harvey, Bichel, Hogg, Lee (S), the like, are picked, they generally do poorly and deserve to.
:laugh: :laugh: my goodness yo, you really love to start up a debate don't you. PLEASE explain to me how these players have been rubbish or are rubbish currently because really lost mayn.
 
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Tom Halsey

International Coach
Haha, some of Richard's posts here are hilarious in hindsight, particularly writing off Johnson, Watson and Haddin as hopeless ODI players. Plus Hogg, but that's expected.
Tbh I don't see your point here - lots of posts can look hilarious in hindsight, and of the 4 players quoted only Hogg has really proven himself in ODIs IMO. Johnson and Watson have obvious talent but need to play well for longer yet.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
Haha, some of Richard's posts here are hilarious in hindsight, particularly writing off Johnson, Watson and Haddin as hopeless ODI players. Plus Hogg, but that's expected.
And Watson, Johnson and Haddin have proven to be otherwise, have they...? Or Hogg?
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
:laugh: :laugh: my goodness yo, you really love to start up a debate don't you. PLEASE explain to me how these players have been rubbish or are rubbish currently because really lost mayn.
I don't think it really takes too much explanation. Hopes, Lee (S), Harvey and Bichel weren't very good.
Williams was lucky he didn't play more, 'cos his domestic record certainy suggests that his good ODI record wouldn't have lasted much longer.
Were the careers of White, Haddin and Watson to end today, they'd not be anything close to top ODI players.
Johnson has still been very far from convincing and has plenty of cricket ahead of him, and Hogg has still not done that much of note in his ODI career.
 

Dick Rockett

International Vice-Captain
One thing I admire about you aussie fans is that you never stop discussing ways for the team to improve, despite all the success your guys have.

That success vindicates the rotation policy, IMO. It doesn't work for us, but then we don't have a batsman of the quality of Ricky Ponting. On the other hand it works beautifully for the All Blacks, so I guess the point is that if you've got a factory churning out quality players it doesn't matter what you do really...
 

BoyBrumby

Englishman
In other words...

If you have quality players, play 'em!!!
Not quite that straight forward tho if you happen to have more than the quota of quality players to fit in your team.

What Henry has done with the ABs is to have more-or-less two teams & can now perm any XV from XXX & still be the best Union team. Oz aren't quite there yet.

BTW on a Rugby note, that young 5/8th (Brett) @ The Crusaders looks depressingly good. 8-)
 

Smudge

Hall of Fame Member
BTW on a Rugby note, that young 5/8th (Brett) @ The Crusaders looks depressingly good. 8-)
He's like a right-footed version of Dan Carter. Although, until I see him in a pair of Jockeys, the comparison can't be complete...
 

FaaipDeOiad

Hall of Fame Member
And Watson, Johnson and Haddin have proven to be otherwise, have they...? Or Hogg?
That they aren't hopeless? Yes, they all have. None of them have set themselves apart as particularly good yet (except Hogg), but clearly none of them are hopeless, as evidenced by recent performances.

Though it should be noted that Haddin's record is still pretty poor, largely due to a lack of opportunities. Anyone who watched him in the DLF Cup will realise he's a capable player, though.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
He's certainly a capable player, absolutely no doubts whatsoever about that, but to date he's been pretty hopeless - whatever the reasons. I happen to hope he gets the role in Tests and ODIs next season because I certainly think he could do a good job.
 
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Mr Casson

Cricketer Of The Year
And Watson, Johnson and Haddin have proven to be otherwise, have they...? Or Hogg?
I was never a huge fan of Haddin until recently, having seen some of his knocks in domestic cricket. To say that he's been hopeless to date is, while possibly correct statistically, still a poor statement if you ask me. He's never been picked with an eye to a long-term place in the side, nor any semblance of a particular role as a batsman in the Australian team that other players are filling at the moment. If Adam Gilchrist were to retire today, or if Haddin was to find an opening in the side as a batsman, you would see that he is more than a useful player and hardly 'hopeless'. Obviously there are certain difficulties on your end watching Australian domestic cricket, but there is a marked difference in the post-2004/05 Brad Haddin to the relatively mediocre player he was before then.

Again, it looks like you've perused another's Cricinfo profile and sent him to Coventry on the basis that he has merely a passable ODI record to date - but he's played only 18 matches, that's only around two thirds of a single year's workload, and played them sporadically too, since 2001. And in that time I question whether you've seen a single knock he's played for NSW, because there have been some real gems.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
I was never a huge fan of Haddin until recently, having seen some of his knocks in domestic cricket. To say that he's been hopeless to date is, while possibly correct statistically, still a poor statement if you ask me. He's never been picked with an eye to a long-term place in the side, nor any semblance of a particular role as a batsman in the Australian team that other players are filling at the moment. If Adam Gilchrist were to retire today, or if Haddin was to find an opening in the side as a batsman, you would see that he is more than a useful player and hardly 'hopeless'. Obviously there are certain difficulties on your end watching Australian domestic cricket, but there is a marked difference in the post-2004/05 Brad Haddin to the relatively mediocre player he was before then.

Again, it looks like you've perused another's Cricinfo profile and sent him to Coventry on the basis that he has merely a passable ODI record to date - but he's played only 18 matches, that's only around two thirds of a single year's workload, and played them sporadically too, since 2001. And in that time I question whether you've seen a single knock he's played for NSW, because there have been some real gems.
Cass! You do still post on CC!

Please, incidentally, read...
He's (Haddin's) certainly a capable player, absolutely no doubts whatsoever about that, but to date he's been pretty hopeless - whatever the reasons. I happen to hope he gets the role in Tests and ODIs next season because I certainly think he could do a good job.
 

Mr Casson

Cricketer Of The Year
Cass! You do still post on CC!
First time in a while - at work and was bored. I wouldn't want to turn this into a semantic debate, but one does have to be careful with the words they choose. You said Haddin was 'hopeless', in other words, without hope - which is incorrect. Set the world alight in 18 games he may not, but I would suggest that regarding 'hope', there is plenty for a player of his ability...
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
And I now feel so too - but I didn't when I made that post, which was quite a while ago.
 

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