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Ashes series may go for six

Should the next Ashes series have 6 Tests?


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wpdavid

Hall of Fame Member
in history has there ever been a live sixth test? if so how many times.. if n e 1 knows

The only live final Ashes tests I can think of in a six test series were 1970/71 & 1985. 1970/71 may even have been the 7th test IIRC, as one of the earlier ones was completely washed out.

I always felt that six was too many. The series was usually decided by then, and dead rubbers are often pointless affairs. Obviously I enjoyed England winning those games in 1974/5, 1993 & 1997, but it didn't really amount to very much.
 
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Craig

World Traveller
Moreover, I used to love the days when an Ashes tour was an Ashes tour! The players used to arrive around Anzac day, play a million tour games, and not get home until the football finals were in full swing. As a kid/teen, I used to fantasise about arriving in England in April and zooming around on that giant, luxurious Ashes bus for four and a half months with my team-mates. Still do actually!
Proper cricketing tour for mine, none of these rock up, play a game against a local FC side in completely different conditions to which the first Test would be played at and play another Test after that, play a Twenty 20 game, play some ODIs and fly home all within 3 or so weeks.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
:blink: Would've been the only genuine 7-Test series in history. Often wonder what might have happened had that MCG Test in 1970\71 not been washed-out, apart from the first ODI being delayed a bit.
 

Craig

World Traveller
It counts as a Test because the toss had been taken, what a load of rubbish that is, surely some form of play for me has to count as a Test or ODI played.
 

shortpitched713

Cricketer Of The Year
I really don't see any point, because the 6th Test is so, so likely to be a dead rubber anyway.

Same reason I don't like 7 match ODI series either.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
On recent evidence, the Fifth is likely to be too. Does that mean we should reduce it to four? Or even three?

No IMO. I don't buy this "the last one might be a dead-rubber". It's just like this "you should pick 5 bowlers because 1 of them might get injured" coots.
 

shortpitched713

Cricketer Of The Year
On recent evidence, the Fifth is likely to be too. Does that mean we should reduce it to four? Or even three?
Not advocating anything of the sort. Saying we should stick with the status quo tbh, as it is currently working very well for both nations involved.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
It's a shame the WC is intruding, I quite understand where the players are coming from - this idea about unsynchronising the two can't come soon enough. About the only decent idea to come from the Schofield Report.

I don't get, at all, though, why we have to have 6 in 2009 to have 6 in 2010\11. :huh: Seems a great idea in Australia, don't see why what happens over here has to make any impact on that at all.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
Not advocating anything of the sort. Saying we should stick with the status quo tbh, as it is currently working very well for both nations involved.
It's not, though - not from the dead-Tests POV. In the last 11 Ashes Series' of 5 Tests, only 4 times has the final Test not been dead.

If the only argument against having 6 Tests is "there might be a dead-rubber" we should get 6 Tests.
 

wpdavid

Hall of Fame Member
It's not, though - not from the dead-Tests POV. In the last 11 Ashes Series' of 5 Tests, only 4 times has the final Test not been dead.

If the only argument against having 6 Tests is "there might be a dead-rubber" we should get 6 Tests.
There's also the purely qualitiative argument that six is simply too many because it feels like too many, which is good enough for me. Beyond which, if you do get a onesided series, you really want it over & done with ASAP. For much of the 1990's, I was with the Aus commentators who wanted the ashes to be reduced to 3 tests like SA et al.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
Ashes have been far more one-sided (2005 excepted) between 1998\99 and 2006\07 than they were between 1990\91 and 1997 TBH. Each of 1998\99, 2001 and 2002\03 could and possibly should have been a whitewash, as could 1989. England won just 1 game by playing genuinely good cricket in those 4 series combined (SCG 2002\03). In 1990\91 they should have won 1 game (but were denied by Carl Rackemann amongst others 8-)) and drew 1; in 1993 they won easily at The Oval; in 1994\95 they could conceivably have won 3-2 or at least lost by only that scoreline; in 1997, as we know, they could easily have won 4-1 or at very least drawn 3-3.

I'd never, ever be in favour, however one-sided, of Ashes being reduced to 3, and most of my proper memories of Ashes are of it being as one-sided as it ever has been when World Wars weren't making an impact. I'm happy with 5 or 6 TBH, but I can certainly see the reasons for playing 6 in Australia.
 

wpdavid

Hall of Fame Member
I'd never, ever be in favour, however one-sided, of Ashes being reduced to 3, and most of my proper memories of Ashes are of it being as one-sided as it ever has been when World Wars weren't making an impact. I'm happy with 5 or 6 TBH, but I can certainly see the reasons for playing 6 in Australia.
Sounds like absolute purgatory to me. And the players would be traumatised for years. Apart from revenue, what are the reasons for playing six tests in Australia?

Going back to the 3 test comment, tbh I wouldn't want to, but it was attractive when we went 2 down in 1994 & 1998 without a semblance of a fight. And even more so in 2002 & 2006. And 1993 & 2001, come to think of it. But in reality I'm too much of a traditionalist to go with that.

As I implied earlier, 5 just feels right in a way that 6 doesn't. Purely subjective, but that's how I am sometimes.
 

BoyBrumby

Englishman
I'd say it was probably only tradition that kept the Ashes at 5/6 and (sadly) it may only be tradition that keeps it at 5 in the future. We didn't justify more than 3 on form, particulalrly when you think of the much better test teams who had to make do with shorter series against Oz.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
Sounds like absolute purgatory to me. And the players would be traumatised for years. Apart from revenue, what are the reasons for playing six tests in Australia?

Going back to the 3 test comment, tbh I wouldn't want to, but it was attractive when we went 2 down in 1994 & 1998 without a semblance of a fight. And even more so in 2002 & 2006. And 1993 & 2001, come to think of it. But in reality I'm too much of a traditionalist to go with that.

As I implied earlier, 5 just feels right in a way that 6 doesn't. Purely subjective, but that's how I am sometimes.
It's interesting that you'd feel that way when the first Ashes you'd remember clearly was a six-Test affair, and that there were more six-Test series (8) than five (6) between 1970\71 and 1997.

Regarding six-Test-series in Australia - just strikes me as right that Bellerive should get a Test. And it'd be wholly feasible if an Ashes tour was the sole winter's work - no World Cup, no Champions Trophy, no Twenty20 rubbish.
 

wpdavid

Hall of Fame Member
It's interesting that you'd feel that way when the first Ashes you'd remember clearly was a six-Test affair, and that there were more six-Test series (8) than five (6) between 1970\71 and 1997.
1970/71 was actually the last series before I started watching the game, so my first Ashes series was 1972. My first three home series were max of 5 tests, and perhaps they are clearer in my memory as we didn't actually get to see much of the Aus series in those days. When we added a 6th test in 1981, it felt to me like overkill. As for the series in Aus, six tests in 1974/75 definitely seemed too many, even if we won the last one. Ditto 1978/79 of course. I honestly can't remember feeling that an extra test after 5 would be a good thing, whereas I've often thought that a 6th test that took place was undesirable.
 

Josh

International Regular
Was always traditionally six was it not?? Well, maybe not traditionally, but certainly when I was growing up The Ashes was always a 6-test deal. I remember having a similar discussion before the last Ashes series, actually. It comes up a lot. I'd like to see it back to 6 tests, only because that's what I'm used to seeing in the past, and it certainly warrants it.

While we're at it bring Aussie Vs. Windies series back to 5 tests!!
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
Ugh, Aus-WI being more than 3 is just asking for embarrassment at present.

Ashes series were traditionally 6-match affairs in Australia in the 1970s, and in England in the 1980s and 1990s.

Before that (and since 2001) it's always been 5.
 

Craig

World Traveller
Sounds like absolute purgatory to me. And the players would be traumatised for years. Apart from revenue, what are the reasons for playing six tests in Australia?

Going back to the 3 test comment, tbh I wouldn't want to, but it was attractive when we went 2 down in 1994 & 1998 without a semblance of a fight. And even more so in 2002 & 2006. And 1993 & 2001, come to think of it. But in reality I'm too much of a traditionalist to go with that.

As I implied earlier, 5 just feels right in a way that 6 doesn't. Purely subjective, but that's how I am sometimes.
Tell the players to harden the **** up before they play against Australia :p
 

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