Anderson or collingwood for thursdays test?

[Shoaib]

but average at both

If his capabilities are average,then how has he recently scored a double century in first class cricket?

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

If his capabilities are average,then how has he recently scored a double century in first class cricket?

The same way Ian Harvey did.

 

[sledger]

For me this is a no brainer. Who would the Aussies rather come up against?

I'll tell you ......... Collingwood

This whole series has been about the England pace attack dominating the Aussie batting lineup with SUSTAINED pressure. To do so. England have relied on FOUR quicks.

It's not like Australia's attack where they can afford to throw the ball to Warne after 12 overs.

I think you'd find Australia would be more than happy to come up against Collingwood or Giles after 12 overs on day 1. Talk about releasing the pressure !

As for lengthening the batting to save a game.......I can show you a thousand examples where this has backfired (at Grade level at least).

yeah i think that sums it up nicely,

another thing that england have to consider is what would happen if they pick collingwood and either harmison or flintoff pulls up injured in the second over of the match and cant bowl again, if that happens then the match is lost bar the rain saving england.

 

[Scaly piscine]

For me this is a no brainer. Who would the Aussies rather come up against?

I'll tell you ......... Collingwood

This whole series has been about the England pace attack dominating the Aussie batting lineup with SUSTAINED pressure. To do so. England have relied on FOUR quicks.

It's not like Australia's attack where they can afford to throw the ball to Warne after 12 overs.

I think you'd find Australia would be more than happy to come up against Collingwood or Giles after 12 overs on day 1. Talk about releasing the pressure !

As for lengthening the batting to save a game.......I can show you a thousand examples where this has backfired (at Grade level at least).

Like Anderson is going to sustain pressure - he might manage to do it in one spell out of five. It's the last Test and it's likely to be rain interrupted so I don't see only having 3 bowlers doing most of the donkey work as a problem - I might actually be tempted to bring Anderson and Collingwood in and get rid of Giles in addition to the injured taff.

 

[andyc]

Like Anderson is going to sustain pressure - he might manage to do it in one spell out of five. It's the last Test and it's likely to be rain interrupted so I don't see only having 3 bowlers doing most of the donkey work as a problem - I might actually be tempted to bring Anderson and Collingwood in and get rid of Giles in addition to the injured taff.

Giles hasn't really performed badly to deserve being dropped. And I was under the impression The Oval was a turner. Surely if they were to play for a draw and needed some bowlers to do the donkey work, a spinner would be ideal.

 

[Scaly piscine]

Giles hasn't really performed badly to deserve being dropped. And I was under the impression The Oval was a turner. Surely if they were to play for a draw and needed some bowlers to do the donkey work, a spinner would be ideal.

That's Giles who has 10 wickets @ 50.2 and a an ER of 3.66 and has only contributed 64 runs @ 10.66 - wow. If there's going to be rain about then the ball can get damp so he can't control it (no change there then), the conditions will be far more in favour of the pace bowlers and there will be some stoppages so the pace bowlers will get rest anyway. It is not going to be a bright, clear 30C sunshine on a dry track type of game.

 

[luckyeddie]

That's Giles who has 10 wickets @ 50.2 and a an ER of 3.66 and has only contributed 64 runs @ 10.66 - wow. If there's going to be rain about then the ball can get damp so he can't control it (no change there then), the conditions will be far more in favour of the pace bowlers and there will be some stoppages so the pace bowlers will get rest anyway. It is not going to be a bright, clear 30C sunshine on a dry track type of game.

It still includes wickets that were utterly vital at the time and that contributed to victory - and in the context of this helter-skelter series, that economy rate has been right up there.

But I don't need to tell you, do I? I know that secretly you're just playing Devil's Advocate and are only trying to stimulate conversation, and that you're not the balloon-following Geordie you try to make everyone think you are.

(I claim my five pounds )

 

[Barney Rubble]

That's Giles who has 10 wickets @ 50.2 and a an ER of 3.66 and has only contributed 64 runs @ 10.66 - wow. If there's going to be rain about then the ball can get damp so he can't control it (no change there then), the conditions will be far more in favour of the pace bowlers and there will be some stoppages so the pace bowlers will get rest anyway. It is not going to be a bright, clear 30C sunshine on a dry track type of game.

You're telling me you'd want to be the one going up to a man who as well as being the most popular man in the team, has just hit the crucial winning runs in the last game, and is about to play the biggest game of his life, and telling him that he's being replaced by a guy with two Test matches under his belt because it's going to be a bit cloudy?

There's no way in Hell Giles will be dropped.

 

[Scaly piscine]

You're telling me you'd want to be the one going up to a man who as well as being the most popular man in the team, has just hit the crucial winning runs in the last game, and is about to play the biggest game of his life, and telling him that he's being replaced by a guy with two Test matches under his belt because it's going to be a bit cloudy?

Oh wow he hit 7 not out, that'll fractionially make up for him nearly costing us the 2nd Test and costing us victory in the 3rd Test. Even Anderson at his worst can take wickets at 50 a piece. The fact is Anderson is a better bowler, better fielder and going by Gilo's patented walk-off sweep shot a better batsman as well. Croft saving a game with the bat against SA didn't stop him from being dropped.

 

[SJS]

I will tell you with one hudred percent certainity well before the poll closes

 

[tooextracool]

That's Giles who has 10 wickets @ 50.2 and a an ER of 3.66 and has only contributed 64 runs @ 10.66 - wow. If there's going to be rain about then the ball can get damp so he can't control it (no change there then), the conditions will be far more in favour of the pace bowlers and there will be some stoppages so the pace bowlers will get rest anyway. It is not going to be a bright, clear 30C sunshine on a dry track type of game.

and if it werent for his 3/78 and 3/100 all of which happened to be very important wickets, england would have struggled to win or in OT's case come close to winning those games.
suggesting going into the oval test without a spinner, especially with anderson as a replacement is prone to chaos, most of which will be against england.

 

[Barney Rubble]

The fact is Anderson is a better bowler, .

From someone who usually talks sense, that's not the kind of thing I expected to hear.

 

[sledger]

I will tell you with one hudred percent certainity well before the poll closes

yeah i meant to put 08 and think i made an error and put 18 or something else....silly me

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

From someone who usually talks sense, that's not the kind of thing I expected to hear.

Usually talks sense? SP? I don't think you spend enough time around here.

 

[sqwerty]

Looks like Collingwood has got the nod........

mmmmmmm

 

[sledger]

hopefully his performance in the second innings will justify his selection, mind you as long as england dont lose heavily i dont think anyone will give the selection a second thought as its unlikely anderson would have made much difference if that is the case.

 

[Barney Rubble]

Usually talks sense? SP? I don't think you spend enough time around here.

OK, make that occasionally.

 

[BoyBrumby]

OK, make that occasionally.

Even a stopped clock gives the right time twice a day!