James
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Completely un-called for and over the top. None of that in future please.
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Allrounders 'unsustainable' in modern game
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Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
Whoops. Dunno how I managed to write that the wrong way around.
Smith's outburst a trifle on the bizzarre side, truth to be told.
dontcloseyoureyes
BARNES OUT
tbf to me I hate you and I was a little drunk.
Agree. Oram needs to harden up.
Un-called for...but entirely true.
BoyBrumby
Englishman
As Andy said Oram admits as much in the article tho,
"I could lie to you and say it's not about [money]," he said. "But with the doors that have been opened in the IPL, the Southern Premier League, and I'm now reading an APL, it is a chance to set yourself up. The TV deals and the sponsorships in those kind of tournaments have changed things, and I know that is something people do not necessarily want to hear. But I am 30, have played international cricket for eight years, and am getting to the point where it's time to think about how you are placed financially, and how you will look after your family in the years to come.
"The pride that goes into representing your country goes without saying. But the reality is in today's game, you get paid when you're playing, and while that might be a bit of a taboo subject - and people want to hear it's all about wearing your national colours - it has to be understood that this is our career, and we also have mortgages, bills and families to feed. Ideally, I want to play all the cricket I can for as long as I can, but something has to give."
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Admirable honesty from the big fella.
One thing I have noted that may or may be relevant is that a lot of the all-rounders who have had long-standing injury problems are big guys: Flintoff, Oram, Watson & Kallis are all well-built blokes. Bowling quicky and carrying as much muscle mass as some of them do must put a fair bit of strain on their bodies.
Made me smile for reasons I'm not overly proud of.
BoyBrumby
Englishman
Been struggling with his back for ages, hasn't he? He's generally played through his niggles, but for a good two or three years his bowling was compromised at least. Seems to have got it sorted now and is looking arguably their second best seamer currently. Was their best up here last summer.
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Nah, has always been groomed as a genuine all-rounder for QLD, batting high and bowling 1st/2nd change for a while now and sometimes opening the bowling. It's just that his batting has kicked-on at FC level but his bowling, with a few highlights, hasn't as much.
Broken-record time again but he's had stress fractures in his back like clockwork every two years since he was 14, only in the last few years has he started to move onto injuring other body parts. It might suck for him emotionally that he can't hurl the ball down at 140km/h+ but I firmly believe he'd be more likely to get a go in Aussie colours if he at least cuts back on the bowling and worked at getting a top 6 spot.
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Yeah I think Watto's on the record as saying something pretty similar.
Flem274*
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Thats what we tell our players, then we wonder why they're never on the park and retire at 30 years old.
TT Boy
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Tennis elbow. It kept him out of cricket for nearly a year and plagued him for at least two or three years prior to surgery. In recent years he has had a number of minor niggles but he just plays through the pain like Polly did (who never played without some sort of injury).
PhoenixFire
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Well it's not exactly unlike him to say stuff like thatWhoops. Dunno how I managed to write that the wrong way around.
Smith's outburst a trifle on the bizzarre side, truth to be told.
SJS
Hall of Fame Member
If we are willing to understand the difference between an all rounder (Sobers, Miller, Faulkner, Botham, Imran, etc) and a "bits and pieces" player (Ronnie Irani and his superiors) that has been masquerading as an all rounder in some countries thanks to the proliferation of the limited overs format, and substitute the latter description in the thread-title, the motion is carried unopposed. 
An all rounder is not produced by ignoring specialistaion and selecting a player in a team who is neither good enough to be selected as a batsman nor good enough to be selected as bowler. An all rounder is at least always good enough as a specialist in one area and often enough performs as well as a specialist in the other.
The so called all rounders that England and New Zealand, in particular, have produced by the dozens in the last decade or more are a joke compared to the rare group of talented cricketers who belong to this special club. To first include these apologies for all rounders in that list and then run down the place of an all rounder in the scheme of things is to completely turn logic on its head.
An all rounder is not produced by ignoring specialistaion and selecting a player in a team who is neither good enough to be selected as a batsman nor good enough to be selected as bowler. An all rounder is at least always good enough as a specialist in one area and often enough performs as well as a specialist in the other.
The so called all rounders that England and New Zealand, in particular, have produced by the dozens in the last decade or more are a joke compared to the rare group of talented cricketers who belong to this special club. To first include these apologies for all rounders in that list and then run down the place of an all rounder in the scheme of things is to completely turn logic on its head.
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Athlai
Not Terrible
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SJS
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Athlai
Not Terrible
New Zealand players aren't picked to try fill up the allrounder role, we have just had a constant stream of players like Cairns and Oram who make the rather weak New Zealand team by being better than anyone else in the country in either field. They have hardly disgraced us.Let me think of a more suitable word
Okay. Modified.
Jono
Virat Kohli (c)
Is that the elbow injury he had in 2005 when he was down here in Australia?
Forgot about that one. Good point.