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All-Time World XIs: Discussion Thread

Johan

Johan

Hall of Fame Member
subshakerz said:
Ok and remove minnows. Btw Hammond before the war and getting injured was clearly Kallis level.

Dude it's an ATG side neither are taking consistent wickets.
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Hammond could've not taken a single wicket in his life and could've been a random outfielder and he still makes it to the side, same way Smith and Lara did.
 
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peterhrt

First Class Debutant
Coronis said:
Technically that would be Kuruppu with a double century every 7 innings

But realistically its Hammond with 7 doubles in 140 innings. We’ve also got Sanga with 11 in 233 and Lara with 9 in 232.
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Curiously double century records were taken very seriously by Bradman. He had no idea at the end that he needed four more runs to average a hundred in so-called "Tests". But he confided to Cardus that he kept a running count of how many first-class double hundreds both he and rival Hammond had scored.

When cricket resumed after WW1, Fry held the record with 16 double centuries in first-class cricket. Hendren passed it in Georgetown in 1930 and was on 21 doubles by the end of the 1933 season. A year later Hammond was in the lead after making 302* against Glamorgan, and had added a couple more twelves months on. Bradman then reeled off three doubles in Australia in 1935-36 to draw level with Hammond on 24. Hammond commented drily that all the decent Australian bowlers were in South Africa at the time.

In 1938 Bradman admitted that his appetite for big scores was diminishing. But he was determined not to be outdone by Hammond. When war broke out in 1939 Hammond had 33 double hundreds to Bradman's 32. The Australian then hit three more during the 1939-40 season believing matters had been settled.

Against expectations both men returned to the game after the war. Hammond recorded two double hundreds at Bristol in 1946 and another in Perth against Western Australia. Bradman "equalised" with 234 in the Sydney Test. After the end of the tour Hammond retired. Early the following year Bradman gave his wicket away on 201 against India to reclaim the record and left it at that. In England in 1948 his focus was on another record - that of his team completing the tour unbeaten in first-class matches and becoming The Invicibles.
 
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Bolo.

International Captain
subshakerz said:
of course you shuffle but in the first ATG XI nobody is out of place by more than one position.

But if you are going to put someone in a place Ill suited to them night as well select a slightly worse player who can score more there .
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Sobers is just an oddity as his bowling pushed him into batting positions lower than he should have been in.

Moving people a spot or 2 down the order isn't an issue. In this team, batting 5 would be easier than anywhere above it. Batting 6 would likely be easier than 3/4, except maybe for Kallis and Hammond. I'm not worried about giving guys an easier run.
 
capt_Luffy

capt_Luffy

Hall of Fame Member
Bolo. said:
Sobers is just an oddity as his bowling pushed him into batting positions lower than he should have been in.

Moving people a spot or 2 down the order isn't an issue. In this team, batting 5 would be easier than anywhere above it. Batting 6 would likely be easier than 3/4, except maybe for Kallis and Hammond. I'm not worried about giving guys an easier run.
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I don't dislike Kallis/Knott, I just feel Sanga/Miller with Imran at 8 will be more productive Overall
 
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