All-Time World XIs: Discussion Thread

[kyear2]

some have the plan to give the gloves and #6 to Sangakkara, Miller at 7, Imran at 8, Ambrose at 9, Barnes at 10, Murali at 11.

Well let's hope they get out voted.

 

[Coronis]

some have the plan to give the gloves and #6 to Sangakkara, Miller at 7, Imran at 8, Ambrose at 9, Barnes at 10, Murali at 11.

I can see that, but not being a majority opinion. I’m also going to say specifically for Sanga and Walcott, giving them the gloves feels like a huge mistake considering the amount of output you’d lose. Plus Sanga at 6 feels very off. Kallis you can see at 6… Sanga not so much, at least for me.

 

[Thala_0710]

I doubt it. Likely the team will end up with both of them. Kallis is close enough to the next batters in line (who they are exactly may vary depending on who you ask) that his bowling and fielding makes him an almost certainty for the last extra spot. Imran and Knott will likely take the other spots.

Yeah this is the most likely outcome although a couple of people would really be batting out of position. Doesn't bother me much, but I guess other people might be

 

[kyear2]

centurymaker and wolverine will cry themselves to bed that Barnes won, nice.

The strange motivations you have.

Steyn was the better choice and compliment to Ambrose.

 

[Johan]

Steyn was the better choice and compliment to Ambrose.

I think Barnes is a better bowler, makes the attack more unique and gives you more variety especially given I'm going to pick Imran for third seamer.

 

[kyear2]

Yeah this is the most likely outcome although a couple of people would really be batting out of position. Doesn't bother me much, but I guess other people might be

Kallis just beings too much to a team to get past the 2nd XI.

Though to be honest, can almost say the same about Hammond and the 1st. Almost...

 

[subshakerz]

Someone is a waste of time because they don't answer questions the way you phrase them?

How the **** am I biased against players on weaker teams?

Where I find you full of **** is where you try to distort what I'm trying to say to fit your narrative.

Giving someone credit for something doesn't discredit players who didn't, but credit is given where it is due.

You're a waste of time when you don't reply a question and just repeat yourself, yes.

You are biased against weaker teams because you in your own words give extra points to guys like McGrath and Marshall by virtue of their role in ATG sides that you don't for Hadlee of him making a mediocre team competitive, which is objectively a bigger achievement if you want to go down this road.

 

[Johan]

Hammond can make it with the bat alone, I think it will be Hammond-Smith-Lara-Kallis-Knott/Ames-Imran

 

[kyear2]

I think Barnes is a better bowler, makes the attack more unique and gives you more variety especially given I'm going to pick Imran for third seamer.

Well you know my position on Barnes, and that's not changing.

And Sten and Imran do compliment each other. Steyn is the classic away swinger and Imran in..

 

[kyear2]

You're a waste of time when you don't reply a question and just repeat yourself, yes.

You are biased against weaker teams because you in your own words give extra points to guys like McGrath and Marshall by virtue of their role in ATG sides that you don't for Hadlee of him making a mediocre team competitive, which is objectively a bigger achievement if you want to go down this road.

You do understand that people can just disagree, and trying to bully someone to your position just doesn't work right?

 

[subshakerz]

I think Barnes is a better bowler, makes the attack more unique and gives you more variety especially given I'm going to pick Imran for third seamer.

Barnes potentially makes the 2nd XI attack a more dangerous one honestly.

Who is better seam bowler, Barnes or McGrath?

 

[Coronis]

Hammond can make it with the bat alone, I think it will be Hammond-Smith-Lara-Kallis-Knott/Ames-Imran

This would shock me more than any of the other alternate suggestions in this thread

 

[Johan]

And Sten and Imran do compliment each other. Steyn is the classic away swinger and Imran in..

swing both ways, huge cutters both ways, and the Barnes ball/Reverse Barnes ball swayed my vote.

 

[subshakerz]

You do understand that people can just disagree, and trying to bully someone to your position just doesn't work right?

Great so you agree you do give weaker team players less points.

 

[kyear2]

swing both ways, huge cutters both ways, and the Barnes ball/Reverse Barnes ball swayed my vote.

That literally no one alive has ever seen.

We'll agree to disagree

 

[subshakerz]

That literally no one alive has ever seen.

We'll agree to disagree

But if it's true, it's a game changer and Barnes is the greatest bowler ever.

 

[kyear2]

If Smith is focused, and that's always a big if, though he did have a flawless performance in SL.

But ifffff he's inspired by the two folks next to him, a keeper cordon of Knott, Hammond, Kallis and Smith is not only peerless as a group and missing nothing, but pulling off the spectacular.

But again, the if...

 

[kyear2]

But if it's true, it's a game changer and Barnes is the greatest bowler ever.

Beating up on hapless SA doesn't get me there.

And again, I don't rate pre WWI cricketers. Have to have a cutoff somewhere.

 

[Johan]

Barnes potentially makes the 2nd XI attack a more dangerous one honestly.

Who is better seam bowler, Barnes or McGrath?

Yeah I agree, swing both ways, cutters so large that people couldn't believe it was a cutter, I think only Alec Bedser's famed Leg cutter equals Barnes's, extra pace and bounce off the wicket and can bowl overs in a similar quantity as Tate, Bedser and Fazal IE almost spinner levels, and he's just so much different than the other two (Ambrose and Imran) in both speed and modus operandi. Makes the attack very dangerous and varied imo

 

[capt_Luffy]

Keep it as is then ig

Trial version:

World XI	World A
1. JB Hobbs	1. SM Gavaskar
2. L Hutton	2. H Sutcliffe
3. DG Bradman*	3. WR Hammond
4. SR Tendulkar	4. BC Lara
5. IVA Richards	5. SPD Smith
6. GSA Sobers	6. J Kallis
7. AC Gilchrist+	7. APE Knott+
8. RJ Hadlee	8. IAN Khan*
9. MD Marshall	9. CEL Ambrose
10. SK Warne	10. SF Barnes
11. GD McGrath	11. M Muralitharan