A random, hypothetical question of little consequence

[GIMH]

Someone actually asked this in a match thread once and never got an answer.

So scenario.

Team A have scored 550.
Team B scored 200 first innings. In their second innings they are now 300-8 after 90 overs.

Team A take the extra half hour. Team B hold on, adding another 15.

The next day, Team B's 9th wicket stand puts on another 200 in 30 overs. Then their tenth hangs around for 15 overs, scoring 85.

Team A now have to chase 251. Two overs are lost for the changeover of innings. 90 overs were bowled on days 1-3, and then 98 on day 4 due to the extra half hour.

So my question is - do Team A have to survive 43 overs, or have 43 overs to score 251, or is it actually just 35?

Or is it irrelevant because time comes into play on the final day as well? Or is this only when rain/light have seen overs lost, a la Cardiff 09.

Abridged, simplified, to the point version - If a team takes the extra half hour, and no play has been lost to either weather or over rates during the game, are fewer overs scheduled on the final day?

 

[Cabinet96]

What even is the extra half hour? You're allowed to play till 7pm if you want to try and finish the game before stumps?

 

[GIMH]

What even is the extra half hour? You're allowed to play till 7pm if you want to try and finish the game before stumps?

Yeah if the umpires think you have a chance of ending the game that night they can give you an extra 8 overs or half hour.

 

[honestbharani]

I would assume the extra half hour has to be deducted from the next day's play. It is time you take to avoid having to turn up for the next session or day when there is a realistic chance that the match or innings can be completed with a few extra overs. So that is how I would think it would play out.

 

[Pratters]

The overs for the test would be fixed I am thinking. So the whole test would have either 450 overs or 444 overs as 6 overs are lost because of 3 change of innings regardless of the half hour. I think.

 

[marc71178]

Except technically the number of overs isn't capped at 450.

 

[Pratters]

Except technically the number of overs isn't capped at 450.

Are you sure about that? I have seen tests where batsmen are required to survive the next x overs to save the test.

 

[Cabinet96]

The overs might not be capped but the time might be (five days of six and a half hours assuming no rain).

 

[marc71178]

Are you sure about that? I have seen tests where batsmen are required to survive the next x overs to save the test.

90 is the minimum per day. It's just ended up as the maximum because over rates are dire.

 

[Rotkohl]

Just to back up marc's point, india bowled 97 overs on day 1 of this match

4th Test: India v England at Nagpur, Dec 13-17, 2012 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo

 

[Furball]

You would hope so with 4 spinners.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Just to back up marc's point, india bowled 97 overs on day 1 of this match

4th Test: India v England at Nagpur, Dec 13-17, 2012 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo

God that was a woeful pitch

 

[Cabinet96]

Wonder how many times a seamer has rightly been given man of the match with 4 wickets in the game, especially one with no rain.

 

[Rotkohl]

GIMH here is the relevant bit from the rulebook

16.2 Extra Time
16.2.1 The umpires may decide to play 30 minutes (a minimum of eight
overs) extra time at the end of any day (other than the last day) if
requested by either captain if, in the umpires opinion, it would bring
about a definite result on that day [this is in addition to the additional
time provided for in clause 16.1.3 above]. If the umpires do not believe
a result can be achieved no extra time shall be allowed.
If it is decided to play such extra time on one or more of these
days, the whole period shall be played out even though the
possibility of finishing the match may have disappeared before the
full period has expired.
Only the actual amount of playing time up to the maximum 30
minutes extra time by which play is extended on any day shall be
deducted from the total number of hours of play remaining, and
the match shall end earlier on the final day by the amount of time
by which play was previously extended under this clause.

16.2.2 The umpires may decide to play 15 minutes (a minimum of four
overs) extra time at the scheduled lunch or tea interval of any day
if requested by either captain if, in the umpires’ opinion, it would
bring about a definite result in that session. If the umpires do not
believe a result can be achieved no extra time shall be allowed.
If it is decided to play such extra time, the whole period shall be
played out even though the possibility of finishing the match may
have disappeared before the full period has expired.
Only the actual amount of playing time up to the maximum 15
minutes extra time by which play is extended on any day shall be
deducted from the total number of hours of play remaining, and
the following session of play shall be reduced by the amount of
time by which play was previously extended under this clause.
For the avoidance of doubt, Law 15.8, as amended by Clause 15.2,
shall still apply subsequent to the application of this clause, i.e
when 9 wickets are down following the extra 15 minutes. However,
this clause shall not apply when Law 15.8, as amended by Clause
15.2, has already been applied, i.e. the 15 minutes shall not be
added at the end of 30 minutes extra time.

 

[GIMH]

There we go then. Thanks

 

[Dan]

Are you sure about that? I have seen tests where batsmen are required to survive the next x overs to save the test.

Yeah, because that's referring the minimum the bowling team has to bowl in the last hour (15 overs in the last hour). If the 'x overs' were bowled before play was scheduled to actually finish, they'd continue bowling until time.

 

[Pratters]

Okay. The minimum number of overs is 450 or 444 in case three innings have been completed?

 

[honestbharani]

niice to know I Had it right... Umpiring a school game this weekend... 2 day game too.. have to be on the mark with these things..

 

[Lillian Thomson]

Okay. The minimum number of overs is 450 or 444 in case three innings have been completed?

There's a minimum 90 overs per day, but they only allow half an hour extra to bowl them at the end of each day and they don't always succeed. So presumably some overs must disappear into the ether.

 

[Dan]

Nah, they're usually paid off by the captains to go missing.

tbf there are allowances for various delays so I don't think it ever ends up being 450 minimum.