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4th Test (Old Trafford, Manchester) - 23rd to 27th of July

Molehill

International Coach
Woakes been unlucky not to pick one up so far, bowled some beauties, almost moving slightly too much. Need a breakthrough here
Jaiswal seems to have mastered the play and miss so far. I was just wondering if the ball doing slightly less will become more dangerous in a few overs time.
 

silentstriker

The Wheel is Forever
I have not agreed with the selection for a single Test match during the Gambhir era. It's neither here nor there. Am I crazy that you should start any selection with 'Which attack gives me the most chance to get 20 wickets?"
 

cnerd123

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I have not agreed with the selection for a single Test match during the Gambhir era. It's neither here nor there. Am I crazy that you should start any selection with 'Which attack gives me the most chance to get 20 wickets?"
We've taken 20 wickets in each of the last two Tests tbf
 

mackembhoy

International Regular
Ben made the classic error of looking up instead of down.

OT been a road this year man and then harder to bat on later.
 

cnerd123

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Not necessarily actually but since you are being pedantic for no reason:

A combination of 4-5 players who as a group are most likely to take all twenty opposition wickets while conceding the lowest amount of runs.
I think they've done that tbf. Siraj, Bumrah and Sundar all bowled well last Test and they probably back the debutant, Jadeja and Thakur to chip in with enough jammy wickets to do the job. Whether or not we agree with them doesn't mean the intention isn't there.
 

wpdavid

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
It would be nice if it wasn't Stokes' job to make a couple of breakthroughs here. But I think that's where we're heading.
 

Arachnödouche2.0

State Vice-Captain
Why is Kuldeep even in the touring squad if they saw no role for a full time spinner? It's been hot and pitches are dry and flat. If he doesn't play now then don't waste his time carrying him around. Utter nonsense. Should have picked Axar instead.
Does a team deserve to win if they insist on keeping out an ace like that? So much was written about MacGill's staggered career. Kuldeep's will be worse despite having the greater potential.
 

OverratedSanity

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I have not agreed with the selection for a single Test match during the Gambhir era. It's neither here nor there. Am I crazy that you should start any selection with 'Which attack gives me the most chance to get 20 wickets?"
I don't like their selections either but we've lost many tests in the past where we have been anal about getting 20 wickets with no flexibility and completely sacrificed batting depth. The 2018 tour to SA being a prime example.

There needs to be a balance here and this team doesn't have it. I don't think Jadeja and Sundar are as good with the ball as Kuldeep and Sundar doesn't contribute enough with the bat to make up the difference.
 

silentstriker

The Wheel is Forever
There needs to be a balance here and this team doesn't have it. I don't think Jadeja and Sundar are as good with the ball as Kuldeep and Sundar doesn't contribute enough with the bat to make up the difference.
I agree. I know Sundar did well, but if Australia can keep dropping Boland while he averages 16 in Tests, India can drop Sundar for balance. There is no reason whatsoever that India should have won only 2 Tests out of the last 12. I know it's back to back very tough tours, but that's not good enough.
 

cnerd123

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Kamboj only has one FC fifty, Kuldeep is a more accomplished bat than him.

IDM 3 quicks + Jaddu and Sundar. Thakur is proper bits and pieces. Neither wickets nor runs.
 

CricAddict

International Coach
Does a team deserve to win if they insist on keeping out an ace like that? So much was written about MacGill's staggered career. Kuldeep's will be worse despite having the greater potential.
It could be a case of looking a better option when unpicked. He averages 30 in first class matches in India and all matches he has played in tests are on spinning wickets except for the one innings vs Australia. If he was such an ace, the Indian management would have certainly played him.
 

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