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[Burgey]

If Ashwin had averaged 28 overseas instead of 31, then his bowling average would be around 22 . Would Ashwin be then regarded as better spinner than Warne ?

If the ANZACs had landed at the right beach in 1915, would they have been rooting whores in Istanbul two weeks later instead of burying their dead on the beaches?

These and other completely irrelevant hypotheticals will now be opened up for discussion.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Batting against English pace attack on Aussie roads is also minnow bashing.
English pace attack is completely unsuited to Australian conditions.

Getting flashbacks to someone trying to claim that Warne bullying England was equivalent to Murali bullying Bangladesh and Zimbabwe

 

[Teja.]

If Ashwin had averaged 28 overseas instead of 31, then his bowling average would be around 22 . Would Ashwin be then regarded as better spinner than Warne ?

No, it's not just about average. For example, Ashwin has 24 5-fers at home, 6 away from home and 0 in SENA. Warne has 20 5-fers and 5 10-fers just away from home. He also had a career about twice as long.

Warne was just a way, way more complete all-conditions bowler than Ashwin.

Comparing Ashwin to Warne is like comparing Anderson to Hadlee.

 

[Bolo.]

Yeah but averaging more at home than away is a trend across virtually all countries, isn't it? I don't know that this trend is widening in Australia atm, especially given there are so few blokes here averaging around the 50 mark these days.

Isn't the best measure of these stats the simplest - a comparison of averages per dismissal of top six/ seven batsmen across different countries? It's not something I've given an awful lot of thought to, but I'd have thought that was probably the best way to compare. It wouldn't surprise me if the average/ wicket was highest here in that sort of comparison.

Look at the trend line from the 50ish average aus bats over the last few decades. Border-waugh-ponting- hayden-clarke/hussey- warner. Its gone from remarkably better away to remarkably better at home.

 

[stephen]

If the ANZACs had landed at the right beach in 1915, would they have been rooting whores in Istanbul two weeks later instead of burying their dead on the beaches?

These and other completely irrelevant hypotheticals will now be opened up for discussion.

Wouldn't it have been Constantinople?

 

[TheJediBrah]

Yeah there's no denying that batting in Australia has been far easier recently than throughout most of history, or in most other countries atm.

Imagine if Pat Cummins was South African. He'd average about 12.

 

[Burgey]

Look at the trend line from the 50ish average aus bats over the last few decades. Border-waugh-ponting- hayden-clarke/hussey- warner. Its gone from remarkably better away to remarkably better at home.

Sure, but no one compares favorably with Border as a batsman, cricketer or human being. The man is a complete outlier.

 

[Burgey]

Wouldn't it have been Constantinople?

They probably wouldn't have cared tbh. They'd have been rooting.

 

[weeman27bob]

Wouldn't it have been Constantinople?

That's nobody's business but the Turks

 

[Bolo.]

Yeah there's no denying that batting in Australia has been far easier recently than throughout most of history, or in most other countries atm.

Imagine if Pat Cummins was South African. He'd average about 12.

RSA conditions tend to allow worse bowlers than cummins to thrive. They randomise things a bit between the quicks. He'd be averaging sub 20 in RSA, but it wouldnt be much of an improvement, cos he is good regardless. See Ntini for real improvement, cos he had room to improve.

 

[sunilz]

Getting flashbacks to someone trying to claim that Warne bullying England was equivalent to Murali bullying Bangladesh and Zimbabwe

Check batting average of Shaun and Mitch Marsh in Ashes 2017 and then check their batting average against SA and IND pace attack in 2016 and 2018 ??????

 

[TheJediBrah]

This cevnoing is getting ridiculous

 

[sunilz]

If the ANZACs had landed at the right beach in 1915, would they have been rooting whores in Istanbul two weeks later instead of burying their dead on the beaches?

These and other completely irrelevant hypotheticals will now be opened up for discussion.

I will be using the same logic next time someone says that Steve Smith has played less overseas test in Asia due to 1 year ban and Covid cancellation , so he shouldn't be blamed.

 

[TheJediBrah]

I always knew Covid was Steve Smith's fault

 

[sunilz]

No, it's not just about average. For example, Ashwin has 24 5-fers at home, 6 away from home and 0 in SENA. Warne has 20 5-fers and 5 10-fers just away from home. He also had a career about twice as long.

Warne was just a way, way more complete all-conditions bowler than Ashwin.

Comparing Ashwin to Warne is like comparing Anderson to Hadlee.

I am not saying current Ashwin is better than Warne.

I am saying a hypothetical Ashwin with 2 to 3 5fers in SENA ,overseas average of 28 and overall average of 22 , is he better than Warne?

 

[Burgey]

I will be using the same logic next time someone says that Steve Smith has played less overseas test in Asia due to 1 year ban and Covid cancellation , so he shouldn't be blamed.

You aren't using any logic, sunilz. You're just sunilzing up the thread like you so often do because your arse is hurting due to someone saying Smith (or anyone, really) is better than Tendulkar. You'd need a 44 gallon drum of Rectinol to get over this level of butt hurt you're displaying here. You're embarrassing yourself and just posting vaguely tangental bullshit hoping something sticks like **** to a blanket. It won't.

 

[sunilz]

You aren't using any logic, sunilz. You're just sunilzing up the thread like you so often do because your arse is hurting due to someone saying Smith (or anyone, really) is better than Tendulkar. You'd need a 44 gallon drum of Rectinol to get over this level of butt hurt you're displaying here. You're embarrassing yourself and just posting vaguely tangental bull**** hoping something sticks like **** to a blanket. It won't.

Keep abusing me. My logic is sound and simple.

Australia is the easiest place to bat in modern time. So a very good Australian bat will definitely average 60 at home. Now combine this with an ATG bat Smith who is also excellent overseas and we are seeing batting average of 62 presently.

Check home average of Tendulkar, Dravid, Kallis and Graeme Smith and compare it with Steve Smith's home average. Also compare their overseas average.
Smith averages 62 because his home pitches are Australian roads which simply don't deteriorate even on Day 4,5

 

[Burgey]

I'm not abusing you, I'm just saying your posts are pointless, senseless and devoid of logic. As always. That's not abuse ffs. If you want me to abuse you, just say so and I'll oblige.

 

[Burgey]

Oh, I'm also saying you're tying yourself in cognitive knots because you can't comprehend even the idea that anyone could be better than your hero.

It's always pretty funny when you do this **** with Indian players, at least for the first day or two.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Keep abusing me.

Are you stupid ?

Come on, call it a day. Let's just say no one ever said Smith wad as good as Tendulkar. Or any non-Indian player was ever as good as any Indian player. Does that feel better?