*Official* Season 9 Discussions Thread

marc71178 said:

No, I said they shouldn't be better than.

The situation where 3 rookie batsmen are more highly rated than established Internationals is simply not right.

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Why? I don't suppose bradman started off as a bum. None of the CW players are that mad skilled anyway.

Majin said:

Why? I don't suppose bradman started off as a bum. None of the CW players are that mad skilled anyway.

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All this talk of one offs like Bradman overlooks that this isn't just a one-off - it's 3 players out of an intake of about 10!

marc71178 said:

That's a myth though.

Where have I said they should all sign up with rubbish stats etc.?

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The fact is though, rookies simply dont get many games in their first season unless they are of high quality. Captains wont just drop established players for rookies that have similar or slightly better stats.

The invention of the Colts team solves this a little bit, but again, if none of the players are good enough to make other teams, the Colts team will get hammered every single time.

And? None of them are exactly scoring double centuries every time they go out to bat. If you don't want one offs, fine. The CWXI has only ever won one series. As far as I can remember (which granted isn't a reliable source) thats about the same as bangladesh. So basically, CWXI can be compared to Bangladesh. I would wager that there are a few rookies around the world that are better than some of the Deshi's, so why is it so impossible to understand that THREE players could actually succeed?

Majin said:

And? None of them are exactly scoring double centuries every time they go out to bat. If you don't want one offs, fine. The CWXI has only ever won one series. As far as I can remember (which granted isn't a reliable source) thats about the same as bangladesh. So basically, CWXI can be compared to Bangladesh. I would wager that there are a few rookies around the world that are better than some of the Deshi's, so why is it so impossible to understand that THREE players could actually succeed?

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Haha, I was just in the process of writing exactly the same thing.

The CWXI really only has one 'great' batsmen, and most of the rest vary from mediocre to average in international terms (no offence). No one would kick up a fuss if three rookies outscored the likes of Rajin Saleh, Mohammad Ashraful and Nafees Iqbal, so I don't see why it's particularly unrealistic that three (three!) rookies are doing well. If we had several CWXI batsmen averaging 40-50 in Tests, then it might be a different scenario, but we don't, so it isn't.

Maybe Marc just doesn't like the thought that he is, Essentially, Aftab Ahmed.

Slats4ever said:

haha wally west looks like a handy number 9... averaging 47

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Those stats were HEAVILY altered last season. Far more than typical rookie adjustments, as I know Wally West personally and he's not a supercricketer . I explained such things to him. That, combined with the reactivation skill fine, means that he won't be anywhere that potent a player.

From OD stats (as they're the ones I have to hand)...

ODI PLAYER* - AP Cloete - 65.00, the best average of the league at present
ODI PLAYER - DP Towns - 63.50, second best average of the league I think
ODI PLAYER - AP Chaulk - 56.83, brilliant.
ODI PLAYER - MJ Robbins - 56.33, brilliant.
ROOKIE - T Mamesh - 40.67, good stuff.
ODI PLAYER - CR Butler - 34.00, not bad.
ROOKIE - AS Das - 32.67, not bad.
ROOKIE - S Jasotharan - 32.00, not bad, although only two games played.
ODI PLAYER - SA Bennett - 29.80, good for an all rounder.
ODI PLAYER - LA Camps - 28.25, good for an all rounder.
ODI PLAYER - RJ Malone - 27.50, having a bad season thus far I suppose.
ROOKIE - JB Browne - 25.40, good for an all rounder.
ODI PLAYER - BJ Goff - 24.25, having a bad season thus far I suppose.
ROOKIE - DJ Comley - 19.67, not bad for an all rounder.
ROOKIE - NR Hancock - 19.00, not bad for an all rounder.
ROOKIE - JB Malthus-Howell - 18.00, average at best.
ROOKIE - SJ Burke - 16.00, average at best.
ROOKIE - OJ Cook - 14.75, average at best.
ROOKIE - DP Tucker - 10.00, poor even for an all rounder, considering he isn't actually a rookie.
ROOKIE - G Nayak - 4.00, very poor.

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Seems to me that, aside from two ODI players who are just having a bad season, everything is pretty much as you want it. The experience system that has been introduced is working quite well, at least in A-List, and that, marc, is where I was concerned last season, as it's the area that I'm most tied to when it comes to stats checking. Looking at the FC, the last time I checked only four rookies made the top 40 bats, so I don't know what the big deal is there. But yes, although last season I tended to agree (although was never as whiney as you are, and actually bothered to produce solutions rather than merely complaincomplaincomplain) that rookies were dominant, what with Dauth obliterating everyone, I feel that with the introduced experience system, the facts have now changed and rookie power no longer exists there. That, and not the fact that I've moved to CW Colts, is why I've changed opinion.

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EDIT: G Nayak averages lower than NS Pickup this season with the bat in OD, despite Pickup being an established #11 and Nayak being a batsman. Does this mean that we have the opposite or rookie power?

Have the lineups been submitted Liam? Can we expect the results soon?

marc71178 said:

All this talk of one offs like Bradman overlooks that this isn't just a one-off - it's 3 players out of an intake of about 10!

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It's actually 18... in a country where the player population is 80 and spread over 5 domestic teams. If you consider it more like a Bangladesh situation than practically any other Test nation, it's very reasonable. Simply because a player has played Tests doesn't make him better than anyone else, even a rookie.

Majin said:

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not.

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Nope. I think it's a good idea, if done right. I'll go make a thread on it in the Player's Association now, actually.

Robertinho said:

I don't like the look of this Langley kid, doesn't seem to care about the team at all..

Just joking

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I don't like it either

marc71178 said:

No, I said they shouldn't be better than.

The situation where 3 rookie batsmen are more highly rated than established Internationals is simply not right.

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can u name some rookies who have been exceptionally better than the older players, please?

Cricket Web Red vs Cricket Web Green
at the CW Oval

Green faltered in the chase of a large total, and didn't have enough momentum in the middle overs, falling short by 12 runs at the end. James Stedman was at his best in scoring his 2nd List-A ton, whilst powering Red to 282/9. Yet it was overall a disappointing batting display by the Reds, and Kenny Dobson was the only other batsman to feature prominently.

Batting second proved an arduous task, and Robbins in particular was a difficult bowler to dispatch. His contributions with the ball definitely paid off in the end. Although Watt surrendered 16 off the final over, the margin of victory was still comfortable.

CW Red 282/9 (50 overs)
CW Green 270/3 (50 overs)

CW Red won by 12 runs
Man of the Match: JE Stedman

Captains, note well.

The 1st Test squad has been named.

Bennett Accounts For Nayak

Red allrounder Gaurav Nayak was injured whilst facing Sean Bennett in the nets. He received a high full toss to the ribs, and will miss 2 game days with a bruised rib.

Sean, what have I told you about bowling seam-up?!

Never mind, we won. Special game - well batted James and Kenny, well bowled Marc, and for once patchy contributions were enough

Happy with that effort from the team, and despite 10-0-73-1 I'm happy with my bowling. Had 6-0-33-1 before I got hit around at the death.

Well done guys, a very good effort especially by Robbins and Bennett to strangle Greens batsmen throughout the middle overs, faith was shown in you guys, and you held it together nicely.

Prince EWS said:

The fact is though, rookies simply dont get many games in their first season unless they are of high quality. Captains wont just drop established players for rookies that have similar or slightly better stats.

The invention of the Colts team solves this a little bit, but again, if none of the players are good enough to make other teams, the Colts team will get hammered every single time.

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There aren't many sides around the world where the more experienced players get dumped for rookies, unless they are in a major form slump or the rookie is just so good they demand being selected.

Loony BoB said:

ODI PLAYER - SA Bennett - 29.80, good for an all rounder.

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ODI player? you must have me confused with someone else