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  1. Line and Length

    Debate thread for 2024 Ranking of batsmen poll

    Fair comment. Perhaps I should have written: Being an attacking left hander who averaged almost 60 in Tests, including an 80+ average v Australia, makes him worthy of consideration in our extended list of 75.
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    Debate thread for 2024 Ranking of batsmen poll

    ... and plenty of these guys getting votes each round (Laxman, Clarke, Pietersen. Jayawardene etc) bit only McCabe getting a very recent mention. Mitchell is 4 or 5 spots too low. There are others more expendable IMO. I thought we were judging on Tests only in both polls. There is a lot less...
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    Inzamam vs Gooch vs Chanderpaul

    The rest of that sentence is.
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    Inzamam vs Gooch vs Chanderpaul

    My vote goes to Gooch. An opener, IMO, is more important than a batsman coming in at 5 or lower (Chanderpaul - whose average is boosted by a lot of red ink). As for Inzy, he was undoubtedly a good bat but a poor runner between wickets and a liability in the field.
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    Debate thread for 2024 Ranking of batsmen poll

    But an inspired selection. I can't ignore the fact that Paynter, in the 7 Tests he played against the Don, had a superior average to him. Even if I remove the 3 not outs you mentioned in post 693, he still averages better than Bradman in those Tests. Being an attacking left-hander and an...
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    Debate thread for 2024 Ranking of batsmen poll

    There are numerous players with 20 or more Tests who played exclusively between the wars and who wouldn't be out of place in our list. Ponsford 29 Tests, 2122 @ 48.27; McCabe 39 Tests, 2748 @ 48.21; Jardine 22 Tests, 1296 @ 48.00; Hendren 51 Tests 3525 @ 47.63; Leyland 41 Tests, 2764 @ 46.06...
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    2024 Ranking of Batsmen Poll

    We have more than sufficient interest to extend our list to 75 and we re-commence voting next Thursday.
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    Debate thread for 2024 Ranking of batsmen poll

    I've already considered and voted for Bradman, Hobbs, Hutton, Headley, Compton et al who played either side of a war. Exclusively between the wars covers 2 decades - enough for a player to have a significant career.
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    Debate thread for 2024 Ranking of batsmen poll

    How do we judge "quality"? If it's based on averages then Barrington is underrated. If it's based on aesthetics then Gower should be on the list and Barrington would be overrated. One of the deficits I see is the lack of players whose careers fell exclusively between the wars. I know I've had...
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    2024 Ranking of Batsmen Poll

    I take a "No" as meaning they are happy simply to stop at 50. Having said "No" doesn't preclude them from voting when we continue next week. The next poll I had intended was for wicketkeepers (a Top 15 or 20 would suffice) then , perhaps, for all-rounders. I'm always open for suggestions.
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    2024 Ranking of Batsmen Poll

    I'll be counting myself as a 'yes' so we only need a couple more to continue. Mind you. despite being a retired maths teacher, I may have difficulty counting to ten.
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    Which current players are/will be ATGs?

    Inzamam and Chanderpaul had serious flaws IMO. Innzy's poor running between wickets - I'd love to know how many run outs he was involved in and how many quick singles he missed. Chanderpaul batted too low in a pretty weak side. 73.9% of his innings were at # 5 or lower. This gave him an unusual...
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    2024 Ranking of Batsmen Poll

    20 voters and 19 nominations. 17 - Chanderpaul; 15 - Mitchell; 12 - Gooch; 11 - Laxman, Clarke; 8 - Cook; 6 - Lawry, Morris, Pujara; 5 - Pietersen; 4 - Macartney, Jayawardene; McCabe, Gilchrist; 2 - Hazare, Cowdrey, Ranjitsinghji; 1 - Paynter, Yousuf Chanderpaul slips 6 positions from his...
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    Years or Test - Which is the best way to test longevity?

    Definitely years. Imagine Hobbs' record of games had WWI not intervened and if there had been more than 15 series (between 1907/08 and 1930) in which he could participate.
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    2024 Ranking of Batsmen Poll

    Lloyd already voted in. Please edit your 3rd selection to complete your vote.
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    2024 Ranking of Batsmen Poll

    Cook Jayawardene Paynter
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    2024 Ranking of Batsmen Poll

    Even though we are only looking for 2 spots in the Top 50 we will continue on to 75 after a break of a week or so. For that reason, I would appreciate the usual 3, 2, 1 votes. @trundler and @OverratedSanity add a third choice please.
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    Debate thread for 2024 Ranking of batsmen poll

    Comparing the 2022 poll with this one, the most alarming changes have been among the openers. In the Top 10, Hobbs and Hutton both slipped back a bit but it's after Gavaskar and Sutcliffe that things get interesting. Graeme Smith climbs 7 spots, jumping ahead of Boycott, Trumper and Simpson...
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    2024 Ranking of Batsmen Poll

    Re the Top 75. Mrs L&L and I are off on a 6 day break Ghan Trip later in the week. If there is enough interest I could continue the poll after we have established our Top 50 tomorrow., but we would need a break for almost a week until I;m back. The next 3 onto our list are very clear cut...
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    Debate thread for 2024 Ranking of batsmen poll

    Re Inzi - I always downgrade him for his running between wickets. Indeed there are.

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