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    The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

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    The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

    I grew up in NZ in the 70's/80's, and I'd take Smith as my keeper every time. It may be some of the earlier keepers like Wadsworth or Mooney were better keepers, but having never seen them play I can't really choose them. Smith hardly missed a chance and he scored some pretty handy runs. I...
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    Best All-Rounder ever

    Once you expand the debate to consider the likes of Flintoff and Cairns, then Eddie Barlow, Gerry Gomez, Mushtaq Mohammed, and Shakib al Hasan are all also worth at least a mention. Also Stan Nichols, who was a true all-rounder - in addition to some respectable test figures of 29 & 28 with bat...
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    The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

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    What if Graeme Swann was born in a different country?

    Don't know about "never". Ian Salisbury played a surprising number of matches, and Chris Schoffield was the sole spinner in his two tests... but then it did get a bit random in England in the 90's.
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    The ATG World XI's game

    What's with the run-rates in these sims? Seem amazingly high. Bruce Mitchell, 79 in 121 balls against a top attack... I don't think so.
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    The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

    And my take on an Indian xi : Gavaskar Merchant Dravid Tendulkar Sehwag Hazare Kapil Dev Kirmani * Kumble a spinner (Bedi, Prasanna, Chandra, Gupte... I don't know) Mohammad Nissar Looks a bit light on bowling, but Hazare or Sehwag can hold up an end, and at least there's plenty of variety....
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    The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

    There's a guy who scored four and a half thousand test runs, average of 60, 150 first class centuries, once put on an opening stand of 555 for Yorkshire. Quite handy with the bat was H Sutcliffe. And yet he doesn't make the above list of 20 top batsmen, and wasn't picked in the "consensus"...
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    Philander, Ashwin and George Lohmann

    And yet he has 63 in his first 10 tests. If Morkel keeps blowing hot and cold, and they keep picking Tahir, I think Vernon will have a reasonable shot at it.
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    The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

    Not much love for Sutcliffe on these pages? England : 1st xi : Hobbs, Sutcliffe, Hutton, Hammond, Compton, Woolley, Knott *, Botham, Trueman, Laker, Barnes 2nd xi : Boycott, Amiss, Barrington, May, Dexter, Leyland, Ames *, Verity, Larwood, Bedser, Statham 3rd xi : Gooch, Edrich J, Mead...
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    The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

    pakistan xi : Hanif Mohammed Saeed Anwar Younis Khan Javed Miandad Inzamam Mushtaq Mohammed Imran Khan Wasim Akram Wasim Bari * Saqlain Mushtaq Waqar Younis. Apologies to Fazal Mahmood. Would have no objection to someone going for a lower order of Imran at 6, then Rashid (for the extra...
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    Best pace trios (outside of WI of 70's and 80's)

    Ata ur Rehman?
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    Best pace trios (outside of WI of 70's and 80's)

    Bodyline : Larwood, Tate, Geary was it? Invincibles : Miller, Lindwall, Johnston (and Toshack) England vs Aus in the mid to late 70s : Botham, Willis, plus any of Hendrick, Old, Dilley, Lever vs Lillee, Thomson, plus one of Walker, Gilmour or Pascoe. Hell, even during WSC, the Aussie...
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    Why can't anyone decide on two openers in an all-time Australian XI?

    Is there a reason why Barnes so rarely gets a mention in these discussions? He did average 71 as an opener. Is it just because England weren't much good immediately after the war, or has his rather.... interesting reputation as a person ruined his on-field reputation? And how about Woodfull?
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    I believe in Jeetan Patel thread

    Good points. I'd have liked him to be able to keep the runs down a little better in this test (say what we like about Daniel Vettori, he does tend to prolong the game a bit...), but every bowler deserves decent fielding support. Spinners probably need it even more as it can take them a lot of...
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    ***Official*** New Zealand in India 2012

    Oh! And the bigger sigh should come after the 5 ODIs.... I looked on cricinfo and their "future tours" page is very quiet about this one.... But of course the thought of having the best batsmen and bowlers playing on the domestic circuit for a few rounds was just too ridiculous to be realistic.
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    Best XI of each decade

    Sorry, mucked up the quote... but RDV posted : 1970-1979 Sunil Gavaskar Geoff Boycott Javed Miandad Greg Chappell - 6 (c) Viv Richards - 7 Ian Botham - 4 Alan Knott (wk) Imran Khan - 3 Dennis Lillee - 1 Michael Holding - 2 Derek Underwood - 5 One of the stronger XIs, IMO It may be one of the...
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    The Bad Shot Hall of Fame

    For some reason I can only think of English ones... Mike Gatting's reverse sweep as England were cruising to a World Cup win in '87. David Gower's flick to fine leg in the last over (was it last ball even?) before lunch in the Ashes test in 1990/91. I guess leaves don't count, but Strauss's...
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    ***Official*** New Zealand in India 2012

    So for NZ fans, am I right in saying the next test match is January 2nd in South Africa? I'd like to think that means all these guys will get a full pre-christmas half-season of domestic cricket, which would be fantastic if it happens. But no doubt there's a bunch of t20s of one-dayers to be...
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    ***Official*** New Zealand in India 2012

    Spoke too soon...

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