De Zorzi back on form today his injury absence may have been a goodie.
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South Africa team selection
- Thread starter StephenZA
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SeamUp
International Coach
Money talks so you would imagine he wouldn't have gone back and played FC cricket and been a leader for them.I'm giving my age away here but I was still a kid when Lance Klusener was in his prime. Caught quite a bit of him for the Dolphins at the tail end of his career. Heck,I even had one of his bats! Had a family friend that played with him at the Dolphins.
Would he have tried to prolong his Test career if T20 was a thing in about 2000? I don't have much insight into how Zulu the Test cricketer went but he looks like a prime example of someone from the older guard who could have went the franchise route earlier. Would he have been judged differently? This is a very hypothetical thought I know
I would throw a spanner in the works and say, despite T20 growing in terms skill-sets, I still think spending time at the crease or bowling lots of balls sets you up for later in your career when you can cash in. Take Gibbs and AB, two of our finest stroke-makers. Had it tough to start but I'm not sure they go on to do some of their white-ball stuff without that good base.
Obviously not everyone is good at the longer format of the game but the one's that are is the concern, in that they now chasing something sooner than they should or maybe feeling left out.
SeamUp
International Coach
So these T20s in West Indies in May. Do we assume none of the IPL/County guys are going?
Ryan Rickelton (Lions)
Reeza Hendricks (Lions)
Matthew Breetzke (Warriors)
Rassie vd Dussen (Lions)
Kyle Verreynne (WP)
Patrick Kruger (Warriors)
Andile Phehlukwayo (Dolphins)
Bjorn Fortuin (Lions)
Ottneil Baartman (Dolphins)
Lungi Ngidi (Titans)
Tabraiz Shamsi (Titans)
Jordan Hermann (Warriors)
1 of Mitch van Buuren/Delano Potgieter/Evan Jones (all Lions)
Beyers Swanepoel (Warriors)
Lizaad Williams (Titans)
Anyone else have a chance of going? De Zorzi and Bavuma should only be considered for 50-overs but then again Hermann's best format isn't T20 but has performed in the SA20. I guess that along with the middle-order batsman will be debated. They picking Phehlukwayo after contracting him no doubt.
Bowling picks itself with those not there. Saying that I think we need to start thinking about as many of our bowlers offering something with the bat if we can. That greatly effects the balance and depth of our white-ball teams.
Ryan Rickelton (Lions)
Reeza Hendricks (Lions)
Matthew Breetzke (Warriors)
Rassie vd Dussen (Lions)
Kyle Verreynne (WP)
Patrick Kruger (Warriors)
Andile Phehlukwayo (Dolphins)
Bjorn Fortuin (Lions)
Ottneil Baartman (Dolphins)
Lungi Ngidi (Titans)
Tabraiz Shamsi (Titans)
Jordan Hermann (Warriors)
1 of Mitch van Buuren/Delano Potgieter/Evan Jones (all Lions)
Beyers Swanepoel (Warriors)
Lizaad Williams (Titans)
Anyone else have a chance of going? De Zorzi and Bavuma should only be considered for 50-overs but then again Hermann's best format isn't T20 but has performed in the SA20. I guess that along with the middle-order batsman will be debated. They picking Phehlukwayo after contracting him no doubt.
Bowling picks itself with those not there. Saying that I think we need to start thinking about as many of our bowlers offering something with the bat if we can. That greatly effects the balance and depth of our white-ball teams.
SeamUp
International Coach
Lizaad Williams now going to the IPL
Baartman
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Baartman
Capitals sign Lizaad Williams as Harry Brook replacement
Williams joins them for his base price of INR 50 lakh
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Is Parnell out the picture I think he should be though, de zorzi may play you can't have no bavuma or de zorzi for the African batsmen dynamics
SeamUp
International Coach
All those guys are at the IPL & majority will be in our WC squad.No Tristan Stubbs
No Gerald Coetzee
No Markram, won 2 T20 series (SEC)
I'm not sure if they are back and ready for this 3 match T20 series or not.
De Kock
Markram
Stubbs
Klaasen
Miller
Brevis
Ferreira
M Jansen
Mulder
Maharaj
Rabada
Nortje
Burger
Coetzee
Maphaka
SeamUp
International Coach
Definitely moved on from him. Is he even a definite for a SA20 spot next season. Getting a bit of tap in both the SA20 & T20 Challenge now.
Much like Rossouw, we got a little bit back from them after going county.
FBU
International Debutant
After talking up Markram, when he walked to the crease I thought bet he is out first ball now and so it happened.
SeamUp
International Coach
Another of our quicks/all-rounders with a good deal. Could do with our batsmen getting.
Good bowler, hand lower order batter, underrated when the coach says we don't have fast bowling depth he could definitely do a proteas job.
SeamUp
International Coach
Pretty important game for the CSA T20 Challenge.
Dolphins v Titans.
If Titans lose you pretty much know the top 4 but if they win it gets them right in the mix.
Already pitch black in Durban and the wicket is spinning, seaming & not bouncing. Great for T20
Such a shame Bryce Parsons has picked up a serious injury in the game before last. Got 36 off 11 balls or something in that game. So brutal.
Dolphins v Titans.
If Titans lose you pretty much know the top 4 but if they win it gets them right in the mix.
Already pitch black in Durban and the wicket is spinning, seaming & not bouncing. Great for T20
Such a shame Bryce Parsons has picked up a serious injury in the game before last. Got 36 off 11 balls or something in that game. So brutal.
SeamUp
International Coach
2027 CWC venues announced.
Wanderers
Newlands
Kingsmead
SuperSport Park
St George's
Mangaung Oval
Boland Park
Buffalo Park
So nothing for JB Marks Oval which is surprising as well as Willowmoore Park, Diamond Oval and Pietermaritzburg Oval.
Back to 14 teams and Zimbabwe and Namibia are also getting games.
Wanderers
Newlands
Kingsmead
SuperSport Park
St George's
Mangaung Oval
Boland Park
Buffalo Park
So nothing for JB Marks Oval which is surprising as well as Willowmoore Park, Diamond Oval and Pietermaritzburg Oval.
Back to 14 teams and Zimbabwe and Namibia are also getting games.
SeamUp
International Coach
In the past they might have had a stronger leg to stand on in that they produced cricketers but that has dried up even. They got their test match to be our 7th test venue but since then they've fallen so far off the SA cricket map. Their biggest pull is obviously the Black African community.
SeamUp
International Coach
Next up. Daryn Dupavillon joins Derbyshire for all formats.
IPL signed: Burger, Nortje, M Jansen, Rabada, Maphaka, Ngidi (withdrew), Williams, Coetzee
County Cricket: Paterson, Swanepoel, Dupavillon, M Pretorius
The rest worth noting: B Hendricks, Parnell, E Bosch, Baartman, Cele, Moreki, Sipamla, Yusuf, C Bosch, Galiem, Dala, D Jansen, Dudgeon, Budaza, Viljoen, Stuurman
New kids on the block to follow: Bedja, Luus, Brett, M Boast
IPL signed: Burger, Nortje, M Jansen, Rabada, Maphaka, Ngidi (withdrew), Williams, Coetzee
County Cricket: Paterson, Swanepoel, Dupavillon, M Pretorius
The rest worth noting: B Hendricks, Parnell, E Bosch, Baartman, Cele, Moreki, Sipamla, Yusuf, C Bosch, Galiem, Dala, D Jansen, Dudgeon, Budaza, Viljoen, Stuurman
New kids on the block to follow: Bedja, Luus, Brett, M Boast
SeamUp
International Coach
Derbyshire sign Dupavillon to fill Amir vacancy
South African seamer will be available for the majority of the county season
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Marius
International Debutant
Odds of Maphaka getting a senior cap before the end of the year?
And someone on Twitter shared this as a potential T20 WC squad, it's not too bad but might fall short of non-cricket requirements.
1 QdK
2 Reeza
3 Markram
4 Klaasen
5 Miller
6 Stubbs
7 Jansen
8 Kesh
9 KG
10 Burger
11 Baartman
12 Rickelton
13 Shamsi
14 Coetzee
15 Nortje/Ngidi
And someone on Twitter shared this as a potential T20 WC squad, it's not too bad but might fall short of non-cricket requirements.
1 QdK
2 Reeza
3 Markram
4 Klaasen
5 Miller
6 Stubbs
7 Jansen
8 Kesh
9 KG
10 Burger
11 Baartman
12 Rickelton
13 Shamsi
14 Coetzee
15 Nortje/Ngidi
SeamUp
International Coach
Maphaka looks very talented and they no doubt will push him. Just hope it doesn't break him. Kid is still in school.
Think those first 14 will all go. Just that last position.